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09/01/2011 01:23 PM
lollipop
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For all of you newbies out there that may still be struggling with believing your loved one has truly got bipolar disorder or a mental illness that hijacks their brain and thought processes, at times,.....think about this!

*NOTE--The following isn't meant to insult anyone or hurt anyone's feelings. It is merely written as a "very small" list of any number of things that need to be considered when in doubt as to whether our loved one truly suffers with bipolar disorder or is manipulating us. I struggled with wondering if my husband was just a jerk or had bipolar disorder. After all the dust settled, I now realize he truly does suffer from bipolar disorder. Hopefully my examples below will help someone who has been struggling with the reality....

1) Have you noticed how everyone who has bipolar disorder exhibits ALOT of the same symptoms...and they don't even know each other or live by each other or work by each other or talk on the phone or anything???? Laughing

Hmmmmm, something must be up! Wink

2) Have you noticed that even though alot of our loved ones with bipolar disorder don't feel like getting on mdj or any other internet site to read up on things about their illness....they still seem to "know" alot of the things that we are learning about day to day from each other and information sites on the computer????

Hmmmmm, something must be up!!! Wink

3) Have you noticed your spouse being overly energetic at times? Or maybe saying rude things and apologizing later for it MORE than a normal person does? Have you noticed your loved one sleeping more than alot of people ever do, or maybe never really needing sleep and wondering why everyone thinks something is wrong with that? Have you noticed your loved one saying "off the wall or over the top" things to you or someone else and not understanding what all the fuss is about?

Hmmmmm, I just wonder what might be going on here....

4) Have you ever wondered what happened to the man or woman you married or wondered how they could suddenly "morph" into someone else for awhile and then return, without even realizing anything was different about themselves? Was it invasion of the body/mind snatchers?

Hmmmm, I wonder if there could be a valid reason for these things....

5) Have you ever wondered why your spouse is soooooooooooo intelligent and creative at times....above average....can even run circles around other people...cream of the crop, top of the top...fantastic....and then suddenly do something that is so contrary to their normal thinking and acting...in a huge way????

6) Do you ever wonder why they feel so much disdain about life and themselves when they are "sad"?

7) Do you ever wonder why they are sad when nothing bad is even going on around them?

8) Do you ever wonder why they can't just "pop" out of their sadness? Even when they are on medicines...? It seems like sleep is the only thing they can do? Ever wonder why in their sadness they want to isolate themselves completely from everyone around them? Sometimes even run away and show back up later crying and wanting to come home and can't explain what just happened????

Hmmmmmm, I'm thinking, I'm thinking....hmmmmmmm.

9) Have you ever wondered why your spouse would do something that hurt you so badly like tell you they don't love you and never have, when just yesterday they gave you a lovenote or just took you on a beautiful vacation last month, etc.????? How could they do that??? It doesn't make sense! Or while they are upset with you, they suddenly find this other person that is so fascinating and intriguing...a person that really "gets them", etc.???? They start saying and doing things of a more sexually explicit nature, outside their normal comfort zone? Maybe even move out, run off with someone else for awhile. And then SUDDENLY turn back around tell you they DO love you AND THEY ALWAYS HAVE..... and they don't know why they ever said they didn't, or ever thought that, or could have possibly done those things with that other person, etc.??? (Gotta add this one thing...a true cheat, a chronic cheat will not ever ever EVER really think what they did was wrong....and they will always always ALWAYS deep down try to find something or someone else at fault to justify their behavior...info compliments of my hubby's pdoc!!!) Smile

10) Have you ever seen your spouse suddenly become uncharacteristically angry or agitated to you and everyone who loves them? And then turn around later and say they don't know why they did it or maybe even that they can't remember doing it?

Hmmm, this is getting weird....hmmmmm Wink

11) How about your loved one spending the rent money on buying a bunch of deer corn? Or a bunch of bingo scratch-off cards from the corner convenience store? Or giving your car payment money to a homeless person they saw in McDonald's parking lot? Or some other off the wall thing that has put your family in dire straights financially....without thought, without any guilt, without any explanation, without any history of ever acting this way before.....?

12) Have you ever wondered how a person could do these things to such an extreme and honest to goodness, not realize WHY they did it? Maybe not even realize it was THEM who did it?

Bipolar disorder. They aren't lying. Then can't help it. They are victims of their own illness. They need people to love them through it. To understand them when they don't even understand themselves.

They need people to hold them accountable for their actions, though. They need to be willing to assume responsibility for their irrational thoughts and actions that affect family/friends/coworkers, when they are unstable. If a person with bipolar disorder won't assume responsibility for their actions, who will???? There are ways to learn to do this and still come out on top in our relationship.

Our loved ones must be willing to stay med compliant. They must be willing to allow us to be in on their treatment plan and sign off on us being able to discuss their medical info with the doctors. They must not be in denial about their illness. And we mustn't be in denial about it either.

BELIEVE THIS: If your loved one has exhibited a cluster of symptoms, simultaneously in a given timeframe...and a professional has listened to everything....and made the diagnosis of them having a chemical imbalance in their brain, called bipolar disorder.....Believe it. I had a very hard time last year. The most difficult time was the first 6 months or so, not really knowing my husband had bipolar disorder. And then my thoughts on the matter ricocheted back and forth for months after that. He has been diagnosed now by 2 psychiatrists, one neuropsychologist, a neurologist who listened in on the symptoms, and he even has a family history of mental illness, etc. I believe it now....but I understand how difficult it is to believe in the beginning. In my opinion there are toooooooo many commonalities among our loved ones with the diagnosis of bipolar to rationally believe anything else EXCEPT that they truly have the disorder. They aren't tricking you. They aren't trying to manipulate you. They don't like their behavior themself. They would change it if they could. Believe it.

IT'S NORMAL. DON'T BE HARD ON YOURSELF IF YOU ARE HAVING A DIFFICULT TIME BELIEVING THIS COULD BE HAPPENING TO YOU/YOUR LOVED ONE/YOUR RELATIONSHIP/YOUR FAMILY, ETC. BUT IT'S GONNA GET BETTER. Hang in there!!!! Know we are here for all of you. Please feel free to post, vent, rant, ask questions...whatever you need to do!!!! Smile

Post edited by: lollipop, at: 09/01/2011 01:30 PM

YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE IT!!!! IF I DID...ANYONE CAN.

Forgiving does not erase the bitter past. A healed memory is not a deleted memory. Instead, forgiving what we cannot forget creates a new way to remember. We change the memory of our past into a hope for our future.” Lewis B. Smedes

I am not a doctor, my advice is purely my opinion.
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09/01/2011 01:59 PM  Top
innerglow
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I love it!! MDJ has made such a difference in my life and you just summed it up. I am so thankful for all of the members who are here to listen, understand and advise. I am also thankful that the newbies came here and are hopefully benefiting from the similar stories. It's good to know that you are not alone and that there is hope.
I am not perfect nor do I strive to be. I am alive in this room with face first falls and public breakdowns......

09/01/2011 03:20 PM  Top
wifeonbpexpress
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Applauding right now for Lolli! Awesome post!
You are worthy of respect, love, and empathy. Choose life, find your joy, find your passion.

Please see a licensed counselor for professional direction. All I can provide is my best advice.

09/01/2011 07:35 PM  Top
Missypoo
 
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I am a newbie and I sincerely thank you for sharing this post. As I was reading, I could answer yes to pretty much every one of your points. It has given me much to think about.

09/02/2011 02:37 PM  Top
patientlove
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THANKS lolli! You really hit the nail on the head. I like how you broke everything down.

I also really liked what you added about a "true cheat." I had never thought about that. Even though the OW manipulated my DH and she is to blame for 50% of it, he still blames himself 100%.

I answered yes to pretty much everything! I think the only thing he doesn't do is buy deer corn with rent money. LOL, That is, he doesn't go too crazy spending money (he does go through periods of anal budgeting, complete with Excel charts which he emails me...).

Love is patient; love is kind... It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things (1 Corinthians 13: 4-7).

09/02/2011 03:15 PM  Top
lollipop
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Yes, the true or chronic cheater usually doesn't think it was ever "their fault" and they rarely ever apologize to the people they hurt. The pdoc says they will always point the finger at the other person and will blame others or other circumstances as to "why" they did what they did. My husband hasn't even let himself off the hook because of his mania. He says there is no good excuse for bad behavior. My husband knows he did wrong and has assumed responsibility for it from the very beginning.

Several months later, when my hubby stablized more, he even wrote an email explaining everything to the OW about his illness and asked her to forgive him for his part in it. She didn't assume any responsibility for her actions. She was the victim. Blink In the beginning I did feel kind of sorry for her. I thought she was caught up in his manic actions, until I got to thinking about it....she was 50 or so years old and she was the one who kept on contacting him AFTER I found out and stuff. She said he would respond sometimes, but not all the time and never told her he loved her or anything after he had first said they needed to stop things. She even went on to tell me she had written him "a hell of a love note" later on and he didn't respond. When I got to thinking about all of that stuff she said to me....it was hard to see her as a victim anymore since she was the one who kept initiating things for months afterward. But oh, well. That was then and this is now. And she isn't in my now. The way I look at it, he is moving on with his life, she said she was moving on with her life....and I'm trying to use the knowledge and experience I've received from such a selfish act between two people to teach others that it isn't their fault when someone lies and steps out on you. I don't care what the reason for it is....there is no good reason a person can present...unless they are a chronic or true cheater....lol Laughing

Post edited by: lollipop, at: 09/02/2011 03:26 PM

YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE IT!!!! IF I DID...ANYONE CAN.

Forgiving does not erase the bitter past. A healed memory is not a deleted memory. Instead, forgiving what we cannot forget creates a new way to remember. We change the memory of our past into a hope for our future.” Lewis B. Smedes

I am not a doctor, my advice is purely my opinion.

09/02/2011 05:46 PM  Top
patientlove
patientlove  
Posts: 1151
Senior Member

I have a friend whose parents divorced after his dad cheated on his mom. He said that 10 years later, his dad still does not recognize his error and never apologized. It's so different from DH who is racked with guilt and blames himself 110% (even though it is at LEAST 50% the OW's fault, too). Not many people would understand the difference, but it is actually huge.
Love is patient; love is kind... It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things (1 Corinthians 13: 4-7).

09/02/2011 06:03 PM  Top
taylynn
taylynn  
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awesome post Lolli, you are a great writer and good and putting down info that helps us! thanx! Smile
If you want to know where your heart is …
Look where your mind goes when it wanders …
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I had been conditioned to think

I had the power to save him

I had been conditioned to believe

it was my responsibility to prevent it

and truth is

i am not qualified to do either.

10/15/2011 06:40 AM  Top
lollipop
lollipop  
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I'm bumping this for folks to look at again, since we have some more newbies!!!! Laughing
YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE IT!!!! IF I DID...ANYONE CAN.

Forgiving does not erase the bitter past. A healed memory is not a deleted memory. Instead, forgiving what we cannot forget creates a new way to remember. We change the memory of our past into a hope for our future.” Lewis B. Smedes

I am not a doctor, my advice is purely my opinion.

10/15/2011 11:17 AM  Top
justhurt
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Lolli,

This is an amazing post. I was just talking with my wife about how darn similar people with BP really are - at least as it pertains to symptom manifestation. These folks don't talk but they sure are similar.

I vote for this to be a sticky!!

Just_hurt.

- The only way out is through.

I am not qualified to give out professional advice, please see a doctor or counselor if you need professional help.
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