Prostate Cancer Support Group

I suppose I must accept that I actually have prostrate cancer as confirmed through the biopsy. I am 52 years young and as I understand when younger the cancers are usually more aggressive. Now I wonder, and perhaps you could help here, if I stop the hormone treatment, lets say, after the 2nd session, how can I tell if the cancer is reducing or dying if not by the PSA? I really want to avoid any further biopsies, not only because I found it extremely uncomfortable but also because with needle tracking I risk that they actually spread the cancer. Of course they don't admit that this is a risk at all. I understand that the PSA can rise or fall depending on my actions like making love, riding bicycles etc but what other ways are there to tell if the natural cure I am on is really addressing the cancer?

I gained about five to ten pounds, then stabilized. Diabetes began about six months after treatment started.

Post edited by: SSLMD, at: 07/05/2012 06:28 AM

Pk

If I had your PSA given your age I would be treating my prostate cancer very aggressively medically and use "natural means" as a supplement or adjunct to medical treatment. Hoping that natural treatments will cure aggressive cancer is nothing short of playing Russian Roulette with your life.

Conventional medicine cured many of us on this forum and I am one of those people. There is a window when cure is possible and that's when the cancer is confined to your prostate. Once cancer cells invade other areas you must manage and treat cancer for the rest of your life. Don't let the way you were brought up cause you to make bad decisions that could result in dying much younger than necessary. Prostate cancer is one of the leading causes of death. When caught early and treated aggressively you can live a long and healthy life. So find Doctors who treat PC that you can trust and treat your cancer aggressively.

Post edited by: RickRed40, at: 07/05/2012 03:47 AM

Hi Rick, thanks for answering my calls. Today I just took my first hormone deprivation pill. HT is all they are offering me at this moment. Even the 'normal ' urologists here are reluctant to give radio therapy and in fact told us yesterday that they do not have a good record in that hospital with it and 'maybe' if that is what I want, to try another hospital. My PC seems to be the advanced form, already on the outside of the prostrate so radical surgery seems not to be an option, here at least, although I have read on the net that there are some docs who say it can be done for advanced PC, but not here in Spain. Then with the high PSA the docs here assume it is already metastatic even though the MRI and bone scan are negative. I, of course, want to believe that it is not metastatic. For now I have decided to go with the HT program and back it up with continuing my nature cure hopefully reducing the possible nasty side effects of HT. As HT is not going to cure me I still want to search for other options natural or what ever that give me a chance of a cure. I NEED to believe that this is possible. I really don't like the idea of radio therapy as it is non reversible and I have some friends who suffered greatly from it. But what other choices have I left? 'Proton radiation' is one but super expensive €45k and anyway needs also HT and photon radiation to be sure to catch any bad cancer cells that might be out side the tumors. I asked the Docs, why, if they think my PC is already metastatic, they don't just blast me with chemo now when I am fit and 'healthy' but there answer is that it is not protocol. I don't understand why chemo is not effective with PC when it has 'cured' many other kinds of cancer. Anyway thx again Rick and I wish you a long and healthy life.

Internal and external radiation, and even surgery, are often used to "debulk" the tumor, on the theory that if you can get rid of 80 to, perhaps, as much as 99% of the tumor, it will take the remaining cells longer to reach life-threatening mass and location. Conventional treatments have found the best trade-offs between prolonging life and keeping life worth prolonging occur if they start with androgen deprivation therapy, such as Lupron, then Lupron plus Cassodex, then ketoconazole followed when those stop working by the harsher cytotoxic forms of chemotherapy, most often, I gather, one of the taxanes. I'm not sure quite when abiriterone (Zytiga) and Provenge are best used. I've been told I'm not there yet.

Pagankev,

Good luck with treatment. I am not a doctor, but I think stopping treatment to see if

the cancer has backed off is not a really good idea. Your continued use of your natural approach WITH HT sounds like a one two punch. If I understand right, being physically active is really good for you during this time. You may want to check this last item out, but being active keeps blood moving and helps to keep moods as calm and regular as possible. It is a very important way of keeping as much control as you can have.

best of luck, and continue to keep us posted

kapm

Thx once again Oysterman, you give me much hope. I too feel great at the mo and only for the weak and frequency of my urine I would not believe I had anything wrong at all. I take this as meaning I need a life style change and have already started. I have been traveling of r 30 years and have had a great life so far but it seems it should somehow change. I already had the feeling not to move so much anymore and want to opt out of the rat race already for quite some time, get a small finca here in spain and grow organic veg. So the first thing I did was to buy a little cocker spaniel pup who is a bundle of positive energy. All my life I wanted my own dog, but with my traveling life style it was not possible, so I guess by buying her was a statement to my self that now it is really time to change. I will not give up. If the normal docs offered me a cure I would jump at the chance but they don't. They say to be positive is half the battle but I find their prognosis not positive at all, so I will continue to search for alternative measures that really offer a cure. Thx again and wishing you good health and long life.

Pagankev,

I really read everything you said when you wrote " All my life I wanted...."

You sounded positive and ready to make up your mind-about the dog.

Please apply some of this same thing to find a treatment you can start on AND STILL

do your research. Looking too long is worse than not looking at all. Besides the more

you look the more confused and over whelmed you can become.

I often say that it was easier when it was just chocolate, vanilla and strawberry.

If you shop for ice cream you know that there are too many flavors, and you waste

time trying to pick just one.

Find a treatment you can embrace and one that can be changed. But don't change every

other day. Live with it, use it and see what happens. Do not behave as if your life is

already over. You have time. Maybe not as much as everyone else, but you do have time.

Use it wisely and with wisdom. Your little dog lives her life one day at a time, that

could be a good lesson she is trying to teach you.

best of luck

what is dogs name

can you post a picture of her

kapm

Thx KAPM for you kind wise words. I have embraced my treatments for the moment and feel good about them, hormone treatment by the orthodox and my natural treatment which includes many things. However, I have heard of other alternative treatments that seem to have success, and not just hear say, from actual live friends who have taken them. One is with Graviola, a powerful plant from the Amazon of which it has been know already from the 70s and MMS by Jim Humble, have you heard of either? I am only interested in more treatments if I get first hand info and not just found on the net. I feel good with my present treatment but since my friends have been taking other things with success I wanted to ask in this forum if anyone else had heard about them or tried.

My Dog is called Sheela. I will post her picture once I find out how hehehehe.

My bundle of positive energy greeting me every morning and keeping me very active. I recommend the experience for everyone. [img]