Hi folks
do NOT try MMS--it is TOXIC, does NOT work and is based on a LOT of false info.
with my daughter traveling thru Africa I have been in touch with the Health Ministry of both Malawi and Uganda and NO one will confirm that ANYone has been cured of Malaria-even with MMS--because they havent!!
if you wish more info here is a site written by a chemist who works with Chlorine dioxide ( the supposed part of MMS that is the cure all) and he uses/sells commercially for NON ingested uses--he says its toxic!!
htp://mmsexposed.weebly.com
and also go to the www.lymeneteurope.org site for a list of how the "science' behind this is wrong
IF so much about the explanation and the information is so flat out wrong and the LIES about Malaria--then how can anyone trust ANYthing they say??
be aware there is a "movement" going on, claiming conspiracy and that Humble's life is in danger ( all false) all to increase sales!!!and theyre having a campaign trying to get on every site that talks about illnesses, like this one--Im surprised it took so long to pop up here!!
Some are experiencing harm ( and not just from stopping their other treatments either), which is why many patient advocates like myself are scrambling and spending HOURS each day, unpaid, while we ourselves are so ill ( again like me) to help keep others safe
I am in the midst of monitoring at least 5 sites now due to UNSAFE suggestions including the MMS!!!! its become unbelievable...so many willing to believe even in the face of FALSE and mistaken facts!!!
its bad enough when you try things that may not work but so far have no side effects ( like Rife) BUT when stuff like Salt/Vit C and this MMS can HURT you flies around in the face of common sense I get very aggravated--too much at risk and too many desperate willing to believe
there are a group that use various names , start by pretending they dont know muich about your illness, can you help, then all of a sudden they have a cure for you--and off they go into MMS hype--beware of a Silverfox/Tom especially.
Jaime--it not only doesnt KILL but it cant help immune system either as most likely the acids in your stomach immediately render it into a salt that makes you nauseous and have diarrhea ---period.it hasnt been shown to EVER get past the gut and if it did how it does anything other than make you ill
For starters, based upon MY own research as a developmental biologist here are some things to chew on
its long so I apologize but its necessary as seen from the posts here
the following statements are just a few that are found on the MMS site and/or purported by others to "explain" how and why MMS works yet it is plain "bad science" --my degrees in developmental bio and the decades spent teaching pre-med and nursing students as well as even more years as a Science ed consultant compels me to refute the following:
1.- false statement: only "bad" microbes are 'negatively' charged and/or pathogens cant survive alkaline environments..
we must not be content to repeat what we have heard or seen written by those selling anything. ANY intro level microbio text will tell you that the following DEADLY pathogens exist and thrive in alkaline environments: enterococcus, erysipelous bacteria, listeria and yes even fungus like aspergillus which has become deadly to many. therefore stating only 'good' bacteria are alkaline is FALSE- also, ingesting an alkaline will make these pathogens more likely to cause harm, NOT "kill" them.
-According to experiments by Weichselbaum et al " when gastric fluids become alkaline microbes do NOT lose their pathogenic properties"...
-also the info re : oxygen and microbes--there are plenty of microbes you DONT want harmed by the increased oxygen thats supposedly occurring and still more "bad" ones left UNharmed--NO proof any changes in oxygen are occurring from MMS
-2. False statement:Good bacteria cant be harmed-- what about GOOD bacteria that thrive in ACID environments ( almost all of the probiotics like lactobacillus). What is ingesting an alkaline doing to THEM??? while many cant make it past stomach acids, some DO and others do well in the slightly less acid but NOT alkaline GI tract, beyond the stomach, as well. if ANY bacteria or viruses are harmed, so too will the "good" bacteria.
3. False statement- harmless salts form, making this not toxic-well salts ARE forming BUT the falsesness lies in their usefulness-and that theyr not toxic- the common salt thats forming?? mostly right in the gut .hence the nausea- any scientific evidence that ANY of the active CLO2 stuff thats making you so nauseated getting anywhere into the blood??? I have seen NONE. The mammal body is pretty good at keeping things where they belong, why would such a toxic substance as ClO2 be allowed to get into the blood at high enough quantity? Id love to SEE blood and intracellular levels of ClO2 after ingesting this stuff
so too Id like to see the proof of its ability to get into the RBC--the membrane system makes it difficult at best for larger and unfamiliar molecules to simply cross the barrier membranes.
4. False statement- the CLO2 deposits onto stomach walls where it enters the body like other nutrients--well first off nutrients leave the gut via small intestines NOT the stomach, secondly the acids in the stomach would react with the CLO2 anyway.and make those SALTS long before it leaves the stomach--add HCL to your solutions and see what happens!
5. False statement--if you have nothing in the body below acid level/Ph7 there are no ill effects--ummm what about the acids in the stomach?? and what about those good bacteria- ACIDophilus etc??there ARE things in the body below that level and theyre necessary too
FYI HEALTHY microbes like lactobacillus require Ph range of 5.8-6.6 ACIDIC and
some pathogens like clostridium do well at 6.0-7.6--that is, they thrive even with alkaline environs!!
when in a state of health human body is slightly ACIDIC
while blood is usally slightly alkaline at 7.4 ( arteries) and 7.3 (veins)
Urine Ph norms = 6.0
saliva Ph norma 6.0-7.4 and vary so widely it cannot be used to measure the entire body's Ph levels
there are individual variations so that within a small range we each have optimum levels depending upon diet and genetics and other factors.
6. False statement--no chlorine is involved--that chlorine like odor when you mix it??? chlorine!! OR clo2- IF its chlorine dioxide??? still poison-matter of fact if you inhale the fumes you will be inhaling chlorine or chlorine dioxide gas and may well end up needing medical attention!
7. false statement- ingesting MMS causes Ph changes of the entire body/blood to occur--no one has shown this to happen.
- in any case, any PH changes that may occur, are very quickly rebalanced in the body,and kept within very strict levels ( different for various tissues etc) UNLESS one is so ill as to be unable and then they face a probable DEADLY outcome. Theres a reason why saliva and blood are slightly alkaline and urine acid...why would anyone think playing around with this balance is GOOD???
- except in presence of some very specific illnesses, you cannot change one's cellular Ph safely. Have you seen people in acidosis or alkalosis?? I have...not pretty. tiny changes that dont upset the natural balance also dont do much of anything for invaders...they too "like" the same margins of Ph our cells do.
8. false statement--the nasuea/vomiting, diarrhea means a good thing--pathogens and toxins are leaving the body-maybe even a "herx"
if you ingest enough 'common salt' or salt water you will also vomit etc...like I advised to those doing the Salt/Vit c cure this too has very big risks. BUT this is NOT proof of a Herx!! or of healing or even detoxing--its your body screaming " hey stop that"
Not all negative symptom results can be called "herxes" regardless of whats causing them. that term has become way to loosely used and why we often have trouble getting other trained professionals to listen to us when a real Herx ( or other event poorly adopted) happens
FYI as for pathogens and changing Ph-as far back as the "Principles of Surgery" by Nicholas Seim it was well known that altering the stomach's acidity by making it alkaline will actually PRESERVE the virulence of pathogens and make the patient MORE likely to get deadly SEPSIS!! ingesting a strong alkaline is NOT therefore a 'good' thing. it will allow pathogens in the GI tract to become stronger and even to be passed further into one's body.
- saying chlorine dioxide is safe because we produce tiny amounts of it is patently silly. even WATER becomes toxic at high amounts. and anyone can look up 'chlorine dioxide' to see that its quite a dangerous substance. Citing its uses is like my saying that at one time ARSENIC was used quite successfully against spirochetes specifically syphilis. well, who here would want to ingest arsenic??
9. False statement- Malaria has been cured in Malawi and Uganda--
-I have intimate knowledge of the malaria situation in Africa due to my daughter ( grad student of anthropology who unfortunately for my gray hair travels out of this country a LOT). and I can unequivocably say that NO cure for malaria has been done there on any large scale IF AT ALL. Hundreds are STILL dying in hospitals from resistant parasites. I have a BIG problem with advertising 'cures' when I know them to be less than truthful.if they 'fudge' or exaggerate in one area then how can I believe the rest of the claims. I personally emailed the Ministers of Health of Malawi and Uganda and to this date None have been willing to say that anyone there used/uses MMS and that ANYONE has been cured of Malaria with it. Youd think theyd be bragging over their superiority if this happened. Id like to see PROOF from anyone of this happening as per the MMS website
10 false statement-resistance to this ( if it works) cant happen-
RESISTANCE can and does build whenever ANY microbe killer is used. period. This ClO2 cannot and does not instantly kill every last "bad" microbe all at once...IF it did why then do you need it for so long????? the microbes that are NOT killed are very quickly reporducing and those survivors are passing along their genetic know-how to get STRONGER. For the same reasons antibiotics are a big cause of the resistant bacteria we now face, taking ANY killer will do the SAME.using anything that puts pressure on another living thing to adapt will cause genetic changes ( mutationally or simply gradually with reproduction). ALL living things have one prime directive : survive and reproduce--and they will find a way to do so.
and it doesnt take much time either--a few hundred generation with some microbes---and that can occur fast--some microbes have a generation every few hrs.
Im guessing that with some more time I can even find for you microbes that lap up chlorine. many thought for so long nothing can grow with high methane- WRONG, high sulfur or temperatures-WRONG.nothing can grow in Ice- wrong- turns out that there is LIFE adapted to very last environment on Earth. And some are pathogenic in every area.
11. people are being cured--well maybe they ARE and maybe not--but not from this--from what? placebo effect perhaps ( at what cost or risk), perhaps by other stuff theyve done previously--after all many who try this have failed many times on previous treatments...maybe all they needed was healing time.
and what of the folks on it over a YEAR??? where is their CURE??? and to what long term effects??
Conclusion
am I therefore saying no one should use this or any other supposed miracle cure??? NO -its not for ME to say that. BUT when we are exhorting others to take the same risks we must be VERY sure we have given them ALL of the correct information and not putting OTHERS in harms way!
what I AM saying is that we must be much more careful about our "facts" and only then can we EACH decide in a fully informed manner which risks we each are willing to take. Id be happy to admit any errors on my part if you provide the substantiation.
and please dont compare to Rx drugs--when they dont tell us all the neg effects its as bad!! having information means WE become educated about the possible risks--whether its an RX drug or MMS--and when there are blatant false statements and bad science--we all have to stop and ask WHY
Im also pretty sure that if any of the so called miracle cures out there really are a global for-all cure, then we would all be "cured" . the fact that there are so many of us still ill proves to me that as yet it doesnt exists. Unfortunately for many illnesses, the individualness of the situation makes it that much LESS likely of a cure for all. so far all "universal" cure all havent stood the test of time.
IF any of you are truly feeling better after doing ANY cure, then may G-d Bless and may you continue to heal. BUT that doesnt mean that for others itd be a safe or healthy decision to do something so risky, especially blinded by the advice and what Ive read so far on this and other sites.
. we have to be willing to embrace facts even if theyre contrary to what you 'believe' or have 'heard' or seen as written by those wanting to sell their products.
continue to take, or do, what helps you but be open to the fact that you may be doing so at great risk and urging others to do the same while hiding ALL of the information ( including that which is opposite to your beliefs) is IMHO negligent.
and that would make us no better than Big Pharma who most of us can agree has a nasty habit of providing only the studies supporting their drugs while conveniently forgetting to print harmful outcomes!! Many of us would and DO take drugs with a long list of warnings...but at least we have been warned.
Denying the WHOLE truth about ANY new cure-all ( and ALL things have good and bad about them) does no one any good.the people losing kidneys after doing Salt/C and many others terribly ill on other regimens are now being blocked and booted off many sites for sharing their experiences--'too negative' , 'cant be true' are the reasons. Is this what we want??
before simply accepting anything
first understand the basic science behind unbelievable claims, then investigate motive and if the inventor understands the good and bad effects and finally balance the risks with benefits--and IF at the outset many lies/exaggerations are told and the science is all wrong ask youselves--HOW can anything thats said then be trusted??
and thats one of many reasons why the Drs without Borders and the WHO etc arent going anywhere near this!!! too much is so very wrong they cant possibly take anything else seriously
and forget conspiracies---there are far MORE incentives ( monetary included) for any African nation to declare theyre cured Malaria!!!! and that cute little stunt on the MMS site stating poor Jim Humble is feared for his life??? marketing gimmick folks--right off the pages of several internet marketing classes!!!
be careful out there and QUESTION for Petes sake
