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10/11/2008 09:23
PegB
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Ok, anybody know anything about this? I'm doing my own research but just want some feedback with anyone familiar with it.

Yesterday I went to the Health Food Store and the owner's mother was there. (These were the folks who suggested I see their doctor and have Igenex testing.) She and her husband have Lyme. Well, she is absolutely against conventional abx and is following a certain protocol which includes intravenous MSP. Says it's the only thing that actually kills the Lyme. (Abx can send it into remission, she says but not kill it.) Says the doctor she consults with (different than the one they recommended to me---they dissed her up and down, for various reasons---gotta re-think her care now) has definitive research--(doctors from around the world are consulting with him, she says). She and her husband say they've had great results, yada, yada, yada. Yet, they aren't completely well. But she's convinced this is the way to go...

Just an aside. I'm really starting to wish I had a disease that was a little more straightforward, you know what I mean? The more I read, well, the more confused I get. So many ways to treat it, so many opinions...I feel like I could spend the rest of my life and bank account trying to find out what works (for me). Yeah, that right there---it's not straightforward, ya know, some things work for some people, other things work for others...just makes my head hurt. I know I need to do my own research, (and I do), make up my own mind--but it's mind-boggling and some days I just want to scream. Also, add to the confusion the folks who are just soooo certain they have all the answers and poo-poo anyone else's thoughts...ok, end of vent, lol.

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10/11/2008 10:04
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Hi PegB,

I am personally not familiar with intravenous MSP. I do know of somone on this forum whose doctor is considering IV silver, not sure if it's MSP....but sounds interesting. To say it's the only thing that kills lyme must be false. I didn't use IV MSP and I don't have Lyme anymore. I will call my friend and see if I can get some info for you.

Regarding your aside, I wish this disease was a little more straightforward,too. It gets a little tiring doing all the research, going to all the doctor's appointments, changing the treatment regimen, , hearing all the different opinions and wondering if you will ever really be better. And as far as people 'poo-pooing' anyone else's thoughts, just remember that's their opinion. You don't have to listen....hopefully the bickering has ended. And we can get back to people helping people , instead of people hurting people.

People get better in a myriad of ways. There is no one way. Some people get better on the conventional antibiotic route and do very well and some don't respond at all to conventional antibiotics. Some people get better with alternative medicine. Never give up. It's different for everybody. It's so important to find a doctor that you believe in. I can't imagine tackling this monster of a disease on my own.

Vent anytime.....after all, this is a support group.

Please do not take anything I say as medical advice. I am not a doctor.

Open your mind to the possibilities available to you.

An attitude of gratitude is good 'medicine,' too.

~Lyme Disease Support Group Leader~
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10/11/2008 10:12
hanna
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what is msp? My doctor is in the process of doing silver iv in the future. right now he's doing peroxide ivs.
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10/11/2008 11:10
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Connie, I guess I should amend my post. I wasn't referring to anyone specific to this board. I'm all for opinions, suggestions, feedback, etc (even if I don't always agree, and I sometimes don't, lol). I wouldn't have nearly the information I have without listening to any and all folks willing to share, here at MDJunction and other resources. I gather, disseminate and make my own judgements. I guess what I meant to say was that with all the information out there it's getting more and more difficult to make those judgements...

Still, better to have access to all that information than not, lol. I'm so grateful for the (reliable and not so reliable) resources provided by/on the internet.

So, the research continues, lol...

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10/12/2008 09:47
synergyman
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I'm responding on my husband's site. I don't know what msp either. However, I am aware of iv silver. After my husband was on several months of IV doxy, he still had mild symptoms of babesia. After research and conferring with othere lymies, he asked to use silver. Our doctor only felt comfortable having him use Argentyn 23 (it is a colloidal silver that has passed many rigorous tests). He was on it IV for 30 days. Now his picc line is remove and does silver once a week. It has helped immensely.

suzie

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10/12/2008 10:07
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Here's a snip from an article (almost always misinterpreted, misquoted and used by sellers of CS) from Dr. Burgdorfer:

http://www.invive.com/burgd.txt

Controversy exists over the length of treatment using

* Mild Silver Protein (MSP). Some investigators consider

21 to 30 days sufficient for the elimination of the spirochetes,

while others believe that patients must be kept on therapy until

they are completely free of symptoms.

The diagnosis of Lyme disease is a clinical one and is based

on the development and recognition of the skin lesion (erythema

migrans) a few days, weeks, or even months, after the bite of an

infected tick. Unfortunately in up to 40% of the patients, the

skin lesion does not develop, is not recognized, or is overlooked.

Thus, without treatment, the disease spreads throughout the body

and may affect the muscular, skeleton, cardiac and nervous systems.

Indeed, Dr. Farber's recent claim having used MSP to

successfully cure himself from late stage Lyme disease, comes at a

time when thousands of patients suffering of this disease are

refused extended antibiotic treatment because their physicians are

unable to associate their clinical manifestations with those of

Lyme disease.

Although never established scientifically, it appears that the

Mild Silver Protein silver colloid disables the enzyme(s) used by bacterial, fungal and viral agents for their oxygen metabolism causing them to suffocate upon contact.

In vitro studies with Mild Silver Protein and the Lyme disease spirochete, B. burgdorferi, revealed a lOO% killing effect within less than five

minutes after exposure to the silver preparation.

More at:

http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/Forum1/HTML/033987.html

by Tom Grier and his experiments on CS.

Snip:

What are the health benefits of Colloidal Silver?

The FDA as of September 16th, 1999 has ruled that most products sold as drugs containing silver will no longer be given safe and effective status. This means several currently available medicines including salves, ointments, crèmes, and colloids containing silver salts and or silver metal will no longer be given drug status and must be withdrawn from market.

The reason was simply that the FDA could not find enough proof that their health claims were true and that the products’ benefits exceeded their risks. (See FDA reference)

This means any manufacturer of colloidal silver who makes any kind of medical claims for their products, are now subject to prosecution under the FDA federal guidelines of making unsubstantiated medical claims.

If manufacturers want to make a medical claims for their products, and market it for a specific medical condition, the manufacturer must now submit a “New Drug Application” with the FDA, and prove both safety and efficacy of the product.

Silver containing product are still sold as food supplements, and as such fall under FTC guidelines of truth and accuracy in labeling, but no health claims are allowed under the current FDA or FTC laws.

Any manufacturer including home marketed products can be held accountable if they make claims of treating any medical condition. (continued after FDA ruling on page 3)

FDA Ruling on Colloidal Silver Products

AGENCY: Food and Drug Administration, HHS.

ACTION: Final rule. http://www.access.gpo.gov/su_docs/aces/ aces140.html#frbrowse

------------------------------------------------------------ -----------

SUMMARY: The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is issuing a final rule

establishing that all over-the-counter (OTC) drug products containing

colloidal silver ingredients or silver

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salts for internal or external use are not generally recognized as safe

and effective and are misbranded.

FDA is issuing this final rule

because many OTC drug products containing colloidal silver ingredients

or silver salts are being marketed for numerous serious disease

conditions and FDA is not aware of any substantial scientific evidence

that supports the use of OTC colloidal silver ingredients or silver

salts for these disease conditions.

End snip.

For those who will continue to use and praise the results they receive from using CS----- I have no argument with you.

I'm just posting other points of view.

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10/12/2008 17:54
tomro62
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I agree with cave...if it's working for you...I guess you are lucky.

But if you look above the beginning of this posting, there is an advertisement for a site that tells you how to make colloidal silver for "pennies a gallon".

How safe does that sound?

Tom

I am not a doctor, and nothing I say here should be taken as medical advice of any kind.

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