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12/10/2011 03:35 PM
kissant
kissantPosts: 17
New Member

Hello everyone. Ok so I have been suffering with something for the last 6 months. I don't know what to do and no one seems to know how or want to help. Here is my story.

I am a 27 year old male from Maryland. All my symptoms started about August/September. In August I had a real bad stomach bug, I guess something that was going around.

Was sick with an upset stonsch, diarrhea, vomiting, fever, chills, weakness and my whole body was sore. That lasted about 1 week.

Over the next couple of months I was getting a sore throat off and on without any other symptoms of a cold. I started to get testicle pain and swelling in October.

When the testicle pain went away, my sore throat came back. The sore throat went away and my testicle pain started to come back but this time without the swelling.

The pain is still present but more on and off still to this day. Then my bottoms of my feet would be sore for no reason. No change in shoes or work habits.

I would just wake up or be sitting for a while and my feet would be sore. Then tounge was sore and sensitive for about 2 weeks with raised red bumps. I started to get this chest and shoulder blade pain that came and went away for a couple of months.

Forgot to mention that I was getting headaches frequently more often around the end of August. Also started to notice jaw pain and stiffness.

Then I started getting eye pain with burning. I went and got a cat scan of my head and the results were normal.

I saw the doctor and he gave me percocet for my headaches but I discontinued taking them due to feeling groggy and them only helping the pain for a short while. I started to get neck pain and stiffness.

Once again I started with the upset stomach but this time accompanied by stomach pain with nausea, diarrhea, loss of appetite, RUQ pain (feeling of something poking/stabbing), dizziness, carsick feeling/queeziness, eye pain, and my stools were soft and hard with this yellow/orange color.

I finally gave up and went to the emergency room. They ran some tests and did an ultrasound of the abdomen and that was normal. My results that were slightly abnormal were my ALT, CBC, T BIL.

I started to get this all around sick feeling, hot to the touch, feeling my heart beat all throughout my body. Went a week and still was not feeling better, so I got a cat scan of my abdomen with and without contrast. And to my surprise... the results were NORMAL.

I started to get the chest pain back again and decided to go back to the hospital. This time for chest, back, shoulder blade, and rib pain. Ekg was done and it was normal.

The doctor gave me a medication for a bacteria in my stomach and asked me to take a stool sample but when I left the ER I went and saw a Gastroenterologist doctor who advised me to not take the medication.

He then ordered for me to get an Endoscopy for the fact that I told him sometimes over the past week my food felt like it wasn't going down and getting stuck.

After reading stuff online we figured and hoped the diagnosis was going to be H-pylori and the Egd would tell us. But the results only showed mild gastritis.

When speaking with the doctor who performed the Egd on me he stated he was surprised with the results because the signs from the procedure showed classic symptoms of what he tested for but they were all normal.

After about 2-3 weeks on 11/3/11 I went and saw my pcp to get a full workup and physical. The bloodwork came back all normal except my lipid panel. I did receive full std check as well. All normal except for hsv 1 which came out eqivocal.

On 11/15/11 I followed up with my pcp again and discussed everything including all of my problems in full. He then tested for Ra factor (normal) crp (which was high at 8.41) epstien barr virus (negative) tested for lyme disease early testing (negative) and sjogren but the lab was unable to test the sample given.

The doctor states it could be migrating body pain. When asking if there was another test to do for lyme disease he told me that it is unlikely I have lyme due to the fact that I am not having joint pain.

He sent me to see a neurologist. I saw him just the other day about a week ago and after reading over all my results and a list of my symptoms he diagnosed me with fibromyalgia.

I have been going insane. I do not believe I have FIBROMYALGIA. I know I don't. I am becoming distant from my family and I feel a lot of anxiety.

I am also now since Saturday 11/26/11 I have started to get extremely horrible jaw pain that is going from upper to lower and into my teeth. The pain is so unbareable that I am now taking the percocet again.

I also forgot to mention that I did get a western blot test when everything first started happening.

The only one thing that came back from that was the band 41. My wife works at my pcp office, so she asked another physician to look at my chart. She stated to retest the western blot.

I just got my results back for my Western Blot. As stated before when I got my first test done, 8/26/2010, the band 41kd (IGG) came back positive.

Now with the results that I just got back this time, my band 41kd (IGG) is negative but my [b]band 23kd (IGM) is positive! [/b]

What is going on? AHHHHHH!?!?!?!? Soooo confused! Dont know what to do?

I need help. Is there anyone who can help me. I am at my end!!!

Sad Unsure

Here below are a complete list of my symptoms:

Headaches

Testicle pain

Bumps in scrotum

Eye pain and dryness

Blind side vision (once)

Black floaters in eyes

Dry throat

Brain fogginess

Dizziness

Confusion

Mix up of words

Stomach aches

Orange/yellow stools that vary from soft and solid

Nausea

Ringing in ears

Chest, rib, sterum, shoulder, neck and spine pain

Tiredness and fatigue

Jaw Pain that moves from top to bottom and left to right

Ears feel like I have a head cold

High irritabilty and easily annoyed

Decreased sexually desire

No morning stiffness

Sensation of skin crawling (sometimes all over body)

Intense itching that comes and goes suddenly

Unknown cause of inflamation in Esophogas

Constant throat clearing

Loss of appetite

Hard to swallow

Muscle Twitches

Hot to the touch (neck and face)

Weight loss

Stuffy nose

Wake up and cant go back to sleep

Anxiety

Bottoms of feet hurting

Post edited by: Bettyg, at: 12/11/2011 04:58 AM

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12/10/2011 03:54 PM  Top
fabajenna
fabajenna
 
Posts: 1822
Senior Member

Hi kissant, welcome if I haven't told you already..Smile

Did they test you for parasites? Did they test for co-infections?

I'm going to say that you have lyme, Bart, Babs, and yeast..that's my feelings on it.

Do you have a llmd to work with right now?

If you need one, please post in the Doctor Request forum, one of us group leaders will find you there.

You have a lot of the classic symptoms for each infection I listed..a llmd can help you determine this through your test results and clinically.

Don't worry about being positive on one and negative on another..it will happen if your body isn't producing the antibodies for that infection at the time of the test. It doesn't mean that you're negative.

Please use this site for any research and information that you need to help you in understanding these infections better..we have a lot of great information here.

Blessings to you, and I hope you get to a llmd real soon.

peace-kim

All of my advice comes from research and personal experience. I strongly suggest that you each check with your doctor for approval before changing or adding anything to your treatment.


Peace . . . starts within each one of us. When we have inner peace, we can be at peace with those around us. When our community is in a state of peace, it can share that peace with neighboring communities, and so on. When we feel love and kindness towards others, it not only makes others feel loved and cared for, but it helps us also to develop inner happiness and peace. And there are ways in which we can consciously work to develop feelings of love and kindness. For some of us, the most effective way to do so is through religious practice. For others it may be non-religious practices. What is important is that we each make a sincere effort to take our responsibility for each other and for the natural environment we live in seriously.
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12/10/2011 04:07 PM  Top
GWB
 
Posts: 799
Member

Well, if anyone had symptoms of lyme disease and co infections you certainly do. Lyme disease is a clinical diagnosis, so the fact that you only had two positive bands show up at different times is not that significant.

Have you ever been bitten by a tick? You're next step is to be seen by a Lyme Literate MD (LLMD) who will be able to diagnose you with LD and possible co infections or rule it out.

I suggest you request a LLMD here on this forum and someone will pm you a list of qualified LLMD's in your area or nearby. Sorry you have to be dealing with all this, but it does appear that you have the symptoms of this disease, and co infections too.

We will do all we can to help you. Keep asking questions and make sure you see a LLMD because most doctors don't have a clue when it comes to lyme disease.

I will say this, the fact that you got a Western Blot test from your doctor is unusual and that's a positive sign that she might know a little bit about this disease. Most doctors have their patients take an ELISA test which is very unreliable.

You really need to get on antibiotics right away. Request a LLMD here and someone will follow-up and walk you though the steps of what you need to do next.

Gary


12/10/2011 04:58 PM  Top
neska
 
Posts: 1467
Senior Member

kissant. you have many symptoms of lyme and its co-infections. it is imperative that you see a lyme literate medical doctor very quickly.

the best news i hear in your story is that you started to feel sick 6 months ago. many of us have been sick and trying to figure out what our problems are a lot longer than months more like years!

here is a site on the forum which gives symptoms of lyme and a few co-infections. you match up pretty good here.

http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/lyme-disease-support- forums/general-support/28421-symptoms-lists-for-lyme- bartonella-babsiosa

the sooner you see a LLMD, the better chances you have in getting this lyme under control very fast! i would consider you a lucky person.

make sure you get a doctors list by going to the 'forum' section and ask for a doctor referral. if you live in a border state, list that as well. give as much info as you can. your age, how long you have been having problems.

there are only a few to each state so driving may be a must. i drive two hours to see my LLMD. well worth it! do take this seriously and see a LLMD. you are in the right time to get this lyme way under control.

i am very surprised that with classic symptoms, your doctor did not have you start on doxy right away. see this is classic and the reason you must see a LLMD!


12/17/2011 05:22 PM  Top
kissant
kissantPosts: 17
New Member

Ok everyone, I went and saw an infectious disease doctor. When going over my symptoms with her, she was more concerned only by my headaches and jaw pain.

When trying to figure out if it could be Lyme, and thinking she had experience in it, she stated you don't have joint pain and swelling in your knees so you don't have Lyme.

She told me I had tmj and to see a dentist. Then ordered for me to get a spinal tap. But only after I see the dentist.

Ok... Now, for the past 4 days I have been seeing things in my vision. They look like little bacteria and little S shaped looking worms.

I went and saw an opthamologist today regarding these floaters. He states that I have something called vitreous detatchment. Can this be caused by Lyme?

I was doing some reading up and it was saying it usually happens when your older 50 and up in regular patients. and that it could be caused by the Lyme bacteria that is feeding off of you. Is this true? So tired of everything just want to get back to normal.

Also my wife went and saw her primary care today. Awhile back she had a sudden swollen lymph node and she had unexplained bites on her hip.

The doctor asked of trauma in her legs because of the lymph node being swollen. No trauma, he seeing the bites, which looked like 4 mosquito bites in the same area, he said it could have been a tick bite.

He prescribed her doxy for 10 days. Said to test her later since we did not have insurance. She is now having hip pain in the joint where the bites were along with elbow and knee pain.

She has also been having similar symptoms as me just not as severe or the amount I have had either. We are awaiting test results.

We tried to consult a phyician at a well known hospital/medical facility. Where they take insurance and the doctors interest is in Lyme and tick borne diseases. Only problem is the next appointment for a new patient isn't until April.

At my end!


Previous discussions I participated in:
LLMD in MD/DC area
Introduction and Story! Hello to all!

12/22/2011 04:57 PM  Top
kissant
kissantPosts: 17
New Member

Any more input would be great ...thanx!

Previous discussions I participated in:
LLMD in MD/DC area
Introduction and Story! Hello to all!

12/24/2011 03:12 PM  Top
breakaway
Posts: 39
Member

So you got tested positive for Lymes with the Western Blot test? And then you got tested negative with the same sample?! I'm not sure I'm reading that correctly.

When you went to the infectious disease specialist, did you tell the doctor that you tested positive for Lymes?

Also, do you have any history of anxiety or repressed anger?

Post edited by: breakaway, at: 12/24/2011 03:13 PM


12/24/2011 07:23 PM  Top
waxby
waxbyPosts: 4129
VIP Member

~~~Hello kissant,

~~~Get away from non-Lyme Literate Drs immediately. Most epecially IDDr. They are giving you false and misleading information and are destroying your life .

~~~It is my opinion that you have Lyme Complex Disease and need to find a legitimate LLDr immediately!

``` ~~~from my straight jacket~~~out on a limb~~~lookin like a cocoon~~~hangin by a thread~~~waitin for a butterfly~~~under the moon~~~Lovey Dovey~~~Mitchell ```

~~ "The way to 'Heaven' is to bring it with you ..." -Mitchell
~~ "Sometimes, we gotta go through hell to get to 'Heaven'" -Mitchell
~~ "The way out is in" -Mitchell
~~ "A miracle speaks ...'I don't believe in Miracles.' " -Mitchell
~~ "Life is good, even when it isn't." -Mitchell
~~ "Sometimes you gotta lose to win." -Mitchell
~~ "It's easy when it's easy! Find reason, purpose and meaning when it's hard!" -Mitchell
~~ "If you're gonna think, think again!" -Mitchell
~~ "Make it so!" ...
~~ “When life do what it do, as it do-do, simply say ‘Of Course!’ (to soften life’s ‘blows’)” - Mitchell
~~ A master once said, "When embarking on the spiritual path, 'Oh Dear! There's no turning back! You've really done it now!' "
~~ “Not thoughts be your guide, rather, guide your thoughts.” -Mitchell
~~ "That which is within, and that energy entering this body/mind/spirit, causing harm and ill health, must and will be transformed into love healing energy and sent out in every direction" -Mitchell
~~ One morning ten years ago I awoke from a dream chanting over again and again, and writing this down so as not to forget ... "It doesn't matter who did what, there's nowhere else to go but up ..." -Mitchell
~~ "This life, our life, and what we do with it on this planet is “simply” a display, a reflection, of what is going on in our consciousness. The proof is in the puddin’. Look at our planet, what humans are doing to it, and with it, and to one another, and ask yourself ... ~ 'How’s this working for us/me?' ” -Mitchell
~~ "Step away from monkey mind, not tangle ... Observe ... Inhabit your higher self ..." -Mitchell
~~ "Anything is possible, but manythings you think are true, are not ... " -Mitchell
~~ "Grow where you are planted ..." -Mitchell
~~ "Change your future now ..." -Mitchell
~~ “Write your equation … 4 u r the sum of u … “ -Mitchell
~~ “We are largely a product of our environments … how’s your inner environment doing? …” -Mitchell

12/24/2011 07:29 PM  Top
waxby
waxbyPosts: 4129
VIP Member

~~~kissant,

~~~Please click to go here, my profile page, for information and support, then scroll down to "Read My Diary" for around 37 entry shorts, for some more support ...

~ http://www.mdjunction.com/mem/117464

``` ~~~from my straight jacket~~~out on a limb~~~lookin like a cocoon~~~hangin by a thread~~~waitin for a butterfly~~~under the moon~~~Lovey-Dovey~~~Mitchell ```

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~~~Hello Newbies ...

~~~If you suspect you may have Lyme Disease, you MUST, please, find a legitimate Lyme Literate Dr, LLDr.

~~~If this is Lyme Disease that you do have, only an experienced LLDr who follows the ILADS guidelines, and NOT the IDSA’s nor the CDC’s guidelines, will be able to properly diagnose and treat you properly.

~~~All other specialists, including especially non-LL Infectious Disease Drs, are afflicted with the “God Complex”, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8g2dkDh4ov4 , and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5wCfYujRdE&feature=related , and will only potentially misguide, mislead, mistreat, misdiagnose, and did I say MISS, and quite possibly destroy your life!

~~~For LLDr (Lyme Literate Dr) request, at the top of this page click onto Forums tab to take you to Lyme Disease Forums page. Scroll down to Doctor (LLMD) Requests and click to take you to that page and at bottom of page left click onto Start a New Discussion and then proceed with your request.

~~~Or just click this …

http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/lyme-disease-support- forums/llmd-info/Itemid=217/func=post/do=reply

~~~Lyme cannot be treated as a lone entity.

~~~Less than 50% of those found to have Lyme Complex ever find a tick or develop a rash from a tick bite, (or mosquito, or any other biting insect that may carry Lyme Complex).

~~~Lyme Disease can be, and often is, a very serious, chronic persistent, potentially dangerous and life threatening, COMPLEX disease, and so, Lyme Complex Disease, or LCD, most often with any number of co-infections, such as Babesia, Bartonella, Erlichia, Mycoplasma, and many more, that must be treated before Bb, Borrelia burgdorferi, or Lyme, one by one, or simultaneously until at least two months of symptom freedom before even considering stopping treatment yet!

~~~LCD knocks your whole body/mind/spirit out of sight. You need to rebalance, and rehabilitate your whole being!

~~~It is important to realize that each of our needs, and symptoms, are unique and require our careful and discerning, educated, well read, attention.

~~~And there is no magic cure or magic DR or magic clinic. And there are a lot of "snake oils" and "snake oil salesmen" out there, so be cautious!

~~~Some find relief or remission from conventional/pharmaceuticals alone or alternatives/naturals such as herbs etc alone, or a combination of any.

~~AND, relief or remission, not cure, from ONLY long term treatment, even years, in MOST IF NOT ALL chronic persistent cases. That is, if not caught immediately and treated with at least three months of antibiotics, or other effective treatments, and not necessarily for longer ONLY if symptoms are not present after the first symptom free month and through the second two months of treatment before even considering stopping treatment yet!

~~~We each have our own combination lock, code, puzzle, conundrum, mystery to figure out.

~~~Here is another of the main issues with Lyme Dis-ease...

~~~If you do not see a Lyme Literate Dr (LLDr), a big mistake, and your tests APPEAR “negative,” (or positive), they may treat you for whatever symptoms that your symptomatology SEEMS to fit.

~~~Also, by not seeing a LLDr (Lyme Literate Dr), a non-LLDr, including Infectious Disease Drs!, will normally follow the IDSA’s guidelines, rather than the ILADS’ guidelines, http://www.ilads.org/files/ILADS_Guidelines.pdf , or a LL, Lyme Literate/ILADS/IGeneX Lyme Disease test, and so may declare you negative of Lyme Disease based on false standards of detection, including not basing your diagnosis of LCD on symptomatology and pathology, even with a “negative” Lyme test.

~~~And in most cases, if you are, or are not, being treated for the actual culprit, LCD, the phantom treatments for mocking symptoms will do little, or nothing at all, or even cause more problems.

~~~Incorrect treatments can even do damage, such as being treated for MS, which Lyme mocks, with steroids, or any other drug designed to suppress the immune system, that will only intensify the Lyme invasion and wreak additional havoc inside of you and on your life.

~~~Some have even been prescribed surgery, by a non-LLDr for a Lyme mocking "phantom" problem, and the mistaken, misguided surgery, in many or most cases, failed.

~~~Lyme dis-ease can mock 300 dis-eases and exhibit hundreds of symptoms, in any number or combinations, timelines, intensities, coming and going, on and off, and to be repeated or not. This Complex is as different for each individual as no two fingerprints or snowflakes are alike.

~~~However it does remain important to carefully rule out other possible maladies.

~~~But, let a LLDr do this to save you many middle steps.

~~~If you are working with, WORKING WITH (as in not blindly following) a Dr, hopefully a LLDr, OR only with yourself as your healer, if you so choose for your own reasons, pay careful attention to your reactions to each potential remedy.

~~~If the reactions are much too intense, and you are monitoring and comparing them to possible allergic response and …

~~~having carefully ruled out adverse allergic response, as many reactions are the "herx", the Jarisch/Herxheimer reaction to therapies that actually make you feel worse before better, and are a sign of effective therapy, and may be indicative of probable Lyme Complex Disease …

~~~try trimming down, ramping down, dosages to 1/2 or 1/4, even as much as 1/8 the dosage in some cases, to find your personal, more tolerable, not overly aggressive, therapeutic dosage, and then "ramp-up" slowly and carefully.

~~~And always take probiotics between doses of antibiotics, two hours before and after dosing are a good rule-of-thumb. ANTI-biotics kill unfriendly as well as friendly bacteria and so the intestinal flora must be re-constituted with the friendly PRO-biotics.

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~~~There is a general consensus to get a superior diet in order.

~~~That is, no junk. Everyone with any sense whatsoever knows what that is.

~~~This means no sugary sodas or even diet ones or any carbonated dead beverages. Pure junk!

~~~No processed sugar either. No empty calories!

~~~Only nutritiously dense foods in a wide variety of the rainbow such as fresh mixed sprouts, purple and green cabbage and mixed greens salads, mixed berries, etc.

~~~Mostly if not all vegetarian.

http://www.secrets-of-longevity-in-humans.com/vegetarian- protein-sources.html

http://www.vegparadise.com/protein.html

http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/protein.htm

http://makingpages.org/health/myths.html

http://sugarrocket.com/vegan/vegan-myths.php

~~~Mostly if not all raw - fresh unheated fruits and vegetables are raw.

~~~Little to no dairy.

~~~Cut out gluten, wheat, rye, oats, and bran, if you happen to be gluten intolerant, as many Lyme Patients are.

~~~Eat whole grains and brown and wild rice blends, quinoa, amaranth, buckwheat, kamut, etc.

~~~Raw nuts and seeds, raw so as not to destroy living enzymes and essential fatty acids, such as raw walnuts, almonds, pumpkin and sunflower seeds.

~~~Beans, such as kidney, black, and garbanzos.

~~~Cooled down teas to warm (under 110 degrees) with some almond milk and a couple of ice cubes etc, not hot so as not to destroy living enzymes in raw honey and raw choc, etc if added. You should be able to hold your finger in it and just feel the warmth, not hot ...

~~~Green tea, red (rooibos) tea etc, almond milk, etc, raw honey, raw cocoa powder. Yum!

~~~You could vigorously stir into the warm mix a Tablespoonful or two of some organic chia seed (from health food store and not from the ch-ch-chia pet getting place), and drink it through a straw, unless you want a chia pet mustache!) and/or freshly ground flax seed.

~~~You could also vigorously stir in some brown rice protein powder (from "NutriBiotic") and brewer’s yeast (from "Lewis Labs" - no this is not the yeast that contributes to yeast growth problems, and is very nutritious and a tasty brand), and also some raw maca powder.

~~~I make a mixture in equal amounts of brown rice protein powder, raw maca powder, and brewer’s yeast and use a couple of tablespoons of this mixture in my breakfast tea.

~~~I also include in my breakfast tea my own brewed chai mixture, in descending order of decreasing amounts, of cinnamon, ginger, cardamom, nutmeg, turmeric, cloves, and black pepper. Google each of these spices to learn of their benefits. Mix a big batch of these beneficial dry spices and keep it in an airtight jar in the fridge.

~~~Stir one or two teaspoons of this mixture into a cup of cool water and bring to a boil and stir and pour into tea mug and let steep and settle for about five minutes. Pour slowly and gently into another mug leaving the settled “mud” at the bottom of the cup behind to discard.

~~~Plenty of water, between meals, some with freshly squeezed lemon, for detoxifying, one simple, of many methods critical for consistently, persistently, clearing toxic load from our bodies.

~~~A good rule of thumb for quantity of water to drink is to divide your body weight number in pounds in half, and use that number for number of ounces of water to drink each day.

~~~Go to a health food store and get a sprouting kit and make your own mixed sprouts at home in your kitchen.

~~~Try 2 Tablespoons of broccoli, 2T fenugreek, 10T(5oz) mung bean sprouting seeds in a half gallon sprouting jar (screened lid for draining and breathing).

~~~In three to five days, depending on the temperature, Winter or Summer, and poof, fresh nutritiously dense food.

~~~Don't rinse on last day to keep on dry side to keep longer in fridge. They'll keep for a week in the fridge in an airtight container. Leave uncovered overnight in fridge the first night to chill and breath out initial condensate and then cover and leave covered.

~~~Start a new batch some days before they run out to keep a constant supply for sandwiches, salads, etc. Add it to a big mixed greens salad.

~~~Omega 3 fatty acids and fiber rich seeds such as chia (whole or ground) and freshly ground flax - freshly ground flax as the omegas become unstable after some time after being ground, and flax is indigestible whole. Unheated so as not to destroy vital omega fatty acids and living enzymes.

~~~I use 2 tablespoonsful of whole organic flax seed (and /or unground chia) and grind the flax fresh in a coffee grinder each time I use it. I stir this vigorously into 16 ounces or more of tepid water and soak for five minutes to absorb water and expand and then drink this through a straw 30 minutes before meals.

~~~I continue to drink more water in between meals away from food for better digestion and elimination.

~~~Drinking liquids with meals only dilutes your food not allowing it to digest more properly.

~~~Drinking this flax/water mixture gives our digestive/elimination system a jump start ahead of meals in order to capture more bile and transport it out of the body, so the bile is not recycled back into your body, as is what happens to the bile, thus ushering the bile's excess cholesterol and toxic load out of the body. Your body will readily produce more fresh unpolluted bile.

~~~Also flax and chia will help regulate an unbalanced digestive system, whether too sluggish or too loose.

~~~Flax (as well as chia) also contains essential omega 3s and 6s in a healthy proportion of 3 times more 3s than 6s. Most diets contain way too many 6s than 3s.

~~~Corn oil has 46 x more 6s than 3s, very bad. Olive oil has a ratio of 3-6s to 13-3s, very good. We tend to get way more 6s than 3s, not good.

~~~Your body will convert these essential fatty acids into necessary DHA and EPA.

~~~Organic everything as much as possible.

~~~No harmful habits such as smoking etc, or alcohol, which is very bad for many Lyme patients.

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~~~As examples, out of hundreds of potential remedies, I have done MMS, and in alternating days, frequencies, amounts, and combinations,

~~~teasel, samento, venus fly trap, banderol,

~~~smilax, Japanese knotweed/resveratrol, andrographis, ("Buhner's Herbs from his book "Healing Lyme.")

~~~Dandelion and parsley extracts, mangosteen extract, olive leaf extract, grapefruit seed extract, bromelain, systemic enzymes, nattokinase, or better, lumbrokinase, Graviola, Sangre de Drago, Jatoba (these three are South American rainforest herbs)

~~~vits, mins, supps, baking soda, superior diet.

~~~And for about a year 100mg a day or every 2nd, 3rd, or 4th day, week, or month of minocycline.

~~~However, for now, I am only doing the MMS and at one to three drops one to three times a day, even skipping a day or more as I am very ill and for many years, as I think I am doing too much too soon for my level of infection.

~~~And now doing HBOT, Hyperbaric Oxygen Treatment, IM Rocephin, Myers' Cocktail IV, Medical/pharmaceutical grade supps, vits. coloidal silver.

~~~However, (update) now …

~~~I am doing every day MMS, Minocycline, Azithromycin, and Rifampin. Rocephin IM, (breaking), Atomidine (hoping to replace Armour Thyroid), HBOT (hyperbaric oxygen treatments, 85 dives and taking a break), Myers Cocktail IV plus glutathione (vits, mins, + glutathione) twice a week, (taking a break), Byron White's A-Bart and A-L pulsing and ramping up very slowly starting with 1/16 of a drop each twice weekly, Samento, Banderol, Teasel Root, Grapefruit Seed Extract, Lumbrokinase, vitamins/minerals/supplements, superior diet, ... pondering the seen and the un-seen …

~~~Update, 3/2012, to my present MMS Lyme protocol …

~~~Lyme MMS Protocol of … (working up to this amount slowly and carefully over a period of weeks or months or longer, as necessary, according to your own unique condition),

~~~MMS, Sodium Chlorite, properly prepared with, properly prepared citric acid solution, usually on an empty stomach, and away from Vitamin C or any Vitamin C containing food or drink, as Vitamin C, or Baking Soda, will neutralize MMS,

~~~approximately 12 times to 15 times a day, MMS at 3 drops per dose, of properly prepared MMS solution, once around each hour, so about 45+/- drops a day total, or more.

~~~I prepare and keep three one quart bottles at a time and keep them in the fridge.

~~~For a one quart bottle, which will yield two drops MMS per one ounce, or one drop MMS per one Tablespoon …

~~~64 drops, approximately ½ teaspoon MMS, counting 64 drops into a ½ teaspoon to see the exact level to fill teaspoon with the MMS, thus learning how to quickly measure 64 drops without counting every time, and ½ teaspoon properly prepared citric acid solution,

~~~poured into the bottle and swirled and allowed to stand for three minutes while clear mixture turns golden and evaporates off its gaseous vapor. Then fill bottle with water and the mixture should have a golden tint.

~~~I keep a jar of this mixture next to me and take a one and a half ounce sip through a straw, which you practice doing this by measuring one and a half ounce serving in a measuring cup, and filling your mouth with this one and a half ounce serving, by sipping it through a straw, thus becoming expert at what a one and a half ounce sip serving feels like in your mouth, without having to measure in a measuring cup each time, to make this process quick and easy,

~~~every hour, 10 to 15 times a day, approximately 45 drops total a day, or more.

~~~And, of course, you must remain dedicated and committed to this protocol for many months or longer, as is necessary with any effective Lyme Complex Protocol.

~~~Some MMS info … http://phaelosopher.com/2007/09/09/no-miracle-just- wonderful-chemistry/

http://www.healthsalon.org/264/mms-de-mystified-sodium- chlorite-stabilized-oxygen-chlorine-dioxide-detox/

~~~I get my MMS from Healthy Living at http://www.mms-healthyliving.com/

~~~in addition to 600mg Rifampin 2x a day, 600mg Azithromycin 1x a day, 100mg Minocycline 2x a day,

~~~Three drops Banderol, 3 drops Samento, 3 drops Teasel extract, each once a day,

~~~waiting on deck with the Byron White Formulas, because they frighten me right now!

~~~Atomidine 3 drops a day, hoping to replace thyroid meds,

~~~100mg NutriBiotic Grapefruit Seed Extract 1x a day, 40mg Lumbrokinase on an empty stomach one hour before food,

~~~which I've been eating smaller amounts of nutritiously high density nutrients.

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~~~Your symptoms will change, come and go, see-saw, roller coaster, scare you, tickle you, nauseate you, turn you shapes, colors, and sizes, make you laugh, make you cry.

~~~Hold tight! This is some Amusement Park!

~~~This forum is your refuge. We "get" you. USE IT!

~~~And remember, "this is a marathon and not a sprint." Be the turtle, not the hare. Moving too quickly could be potentially harmful.

~~~Chronic, persistent Lyme Dis-ease can take a very long time to diminish towards remission. It must be approached carefully, systematically, persistently, patiently...

~~~And ... Never give up!

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~~~On ramping and pulsing...

~~~When a remedy dose hits too unbearably hard, your dose may be too high, and that is after making certain this is not an allergic reaction.

~~~Take a day or two or three off , if you must, until the "Herx" calms down to a reasonably, more tolerable manageable, level, and begin again, every other day, or more, if you must, thus pulsing...

~~~Begin again at a lower more tolerable dose, if necessary, such as 1/2, 1/4, or 1/8 the dose thus ramping down.

~~~If one more dose hits too hard again, take every other or third day off, pulsing, until you arrive at a more tolerable Herx event level and tolerable therapeutic dosing level.

~~~As your Herx effect lessens over time, begin turning up the volume by adding back some dosage level, ramping up, and then closing the pulsing gaps.

~~~And always take PRO-biotics between doses of ANTI-biotics to re-constitute intestinal flora as ANTI-biotics destroy both bad and good bacteria. Take pro-biotics, breaking open the capsule, if acid resistant strain and not in an enteric coating, starting in your mouth, the beginning of your digestive system, 2 hours before and after dosing, after anti-biotics have cleared the stomach and intestines, are a good rule-of-thumb.

~~~Unfortunately, feeling worse before feeling better, the Herx, is par for the course, but is a useful gauge for pulsing and ramping and consistently, persistently, keeping fire under the critters butts.

```~~~from my straight jacket~~~out on a limb~~~lookin like a cocoon~~~hangin by a thread~~~waitin for a butterfly~~~under the moon~~~Lovey-Dovey, Mitchell~~~

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Post edited by: waxby, at: 04/06/2012 10:11 AM

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I was positive for bands 41 and 23 ....you have to have like 4 bands to be considered positive .... I can't afford a llmd with my finances ....I'm barley making it week to week...I'm hoping some Dr can say let's try lyme medication and see how you react... I dunno anymore ...I wake up in the morning and spin a wheel to see what my syomptoms might be today Sad .... But the Dr told the nueroligist its not fybro...so I am going to see him again.... And I have a appointment at john Hopkins for a lyme doctor in APRIL!!! Sad

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