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04/09/2008 04:26
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interesting Clayton... I've had gallbladder issues for years! Guess i'll be joining the accu world too!
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04/09/2008 05:58
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Hey Jaime,

I'm not sure what you mean by gallbladder issues, but yes, acupuncture is one great way to help in tonifying that organ. The GB, as you probably know works in conjunction with the liver and in Chinese Medicine is said to be "paired" with it. One, the gallbladder, is yang, while the liver is the yin organ within the pair.

So working with a good chinese medicine doctor will most definitely help. Nutrition support will also be vital in taking care of any issues with gallbladder and a qualified practitioner will be able to assist you there.

Also, there are several of my clients who have had some dang good results with gallbladder "flushing" if hardened bile, a.k.a. gallstones, are an issue.

Typically, in our country, gallbladder issues, like most of America's problems, result from abuse of the body through too much nutrition poor food. And the darn stress. Not saying those are your issues, Jaime, I'm just sayin'...

Thanks for having me on this forum. I'm learning more about Lyme here. I just saw a new client yesterday who is working through Lyme's. She is getting bodywork and using our far-infrared sauna. I'm seeing several Lyme's clients now. Minnesota used to be known for its mosquitoes. But now methinks the deer tick will be the thing to look out for!

Wishing you all the best,

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04/09/2008 11:28
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Hi Garret.... well, it's not just ticks that transfer lyme, mosquitos very well could be doing it there as well. They even say fleas! There's no escaping it.

as far as gallbladder issues, I don't even know what I mean. It started when I was pregnant with my first child. I've always had a decent diet, and up until recently I've always weighed under 130 pounds on a 5'9" frame. I'm pretty much a vegitarian, eat very little meat. More nuts, beans, legumes, etc. My midwife had told me trigger foods were high in fat type things... everything she listed, I never ate before an attack. I saw a chiro, not a "normal" chiro, she manipulated in a different way and did applied kineseiology, but she showed me how to manually flush it out. She said gallbladder removal is the most overdone surgery in the US.

I really believe when it comes to a chronic illness like lyme disease, or even cancer, all of them, you MUST take a full body approach. I don't think you can just shove a ton of antibiotics and pills into your body, which are basically poison themselves, and then they creat more toxins on top of that, that we have to take a multifaceted approach to this, I know in my heart it's the only way to get well. Our bodies take so much abuse, we need to be good to them.

So glad you're here, you have some wonderfully insightful things! BTW, I am a LMT as well Of course, I don't really practice anymore, just for very close friends and family, it just takes too much out of me. You sound like you know your stuff... if you ever make it to ohio we can trade! haha.

have a great day,

jaime

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04/09/2008 11:39
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Hey there, Jaime! Great to hear from you! Of course we will trade if I come to Ohio or you to MN. I've been doing massage and bodywork for 10 years as my living. I love it. It's led me to all type of wonderful things, including this forum I also teach some massage and speak on different alternative approaches at schools, groups stuff like that. I love to do that. I love to learn, I love to teach what I have learned!

And I agree with you about the "whole body approach"! And not just whole body, but whole mind, as well!

If mind ain't grasping the healing, body ain't gonna follow. I think that healing, really, is 90% intention. The rest is magic!

So keep up the positive attitude, embrace it all.

And I'm glad you're here, too!!!!

May you have all the joy you can stand.

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04/09/2008 15:05
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Jamie:

I had my gallbladder out 15 years ago, best thing I ever did...I was only in the hospital for 23 hours and back to work 5 days later....

But yes, very overrated...

Oh 29 days and I will be in mexico having a great time...

Julie

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04/09/2008 16:54
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Julie, funny thing, I keep hearing about lymies having their gallbladders out, and after they really feel much better, I am considering having mine tested again.

Garret, YES, you are SO RIGHT about the mind part of this...I guess when I say whole body, I mean that, but don't get it across. Getting well is mainly a mind game, you MUST believe it's going to happen, whether it's you beieve God will heal you, or just that you WILL be well, it's amazing how powerful our minds are.

(I've been practicing for 10 years too

Julie, I'm so jealous!!!! I saw a tshirt in mexico last time I was there, it said "one tequila, two tequila , three tequila, floor", haha.

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04/09/2008 17:05
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quick note about "positive attitudes"--while its important to trust in yourself and your inner guide, and its important to not doubt your own treatment paths, exhorting others that they have to have a "positive attitude" may not be helpful to many.

Barbara Held, clinical psychologist has this to say:

Many Americans insist that everyone have a positive attitude, even when the going gets rough. From the self-help bookshelves to the Complaint-Free World Movement, the power of positive thinking is touted now more than ever as the way to be happy, healthy, wealthy and wise.

The problem is that this demand for good cheer brings with it a one-two punch for those of us who cannot cope in that way: First you feel bad about whatever's getting you down, then you feel guilty or defective if you can't smile and look on the bright side. And I'm not even sure there always is a bright side to look on.

I believe that there is no one right way to cope with all of the pain of living. As an academic psychologist, I know that people have different temperaments, and if we are prevented from coping in our own way, be it "positive" or "negative," we function less well.

As a psychotherapist, I know that sometimes a lot of what people need when faced with adversity is permission to feel crummy for a while, to realize that feeling bad is not automatically the same as being mentally ill. Some of my one-session "cures" have come from reminding people that life can be difficult, and it's OK if we're not happy all of the time.

This last point first became apparent to me in 1986. I came down with the flu accompanied by searing headaches that lasted for weeks afterward. Eventually a neurologist told me that a strain of flu that winter had left many people with viral meningitis. He reassured me that I would make a full recovery, but I was left traumatized by the weeks of undiagnosed pain. I really thought I had a brain tumor or schizophrenia. Being a psychologist didn't help; I was an emotional wreck.

Fortunately it happened that my next-door neighbor was a brilliant psychiatrist, Aldo Llorente from Cuba. I asked him, "Aldo, am I a schizophrenic?"

"Professor," he pronounced, "you are a mess, but you are not a mentally ill mess. You are just terrified."

I told Aldo that two of my friends insisted that I cheer up. I tried to be cheerful for a week, but that only increased my distress. Aldo told me, "You say to them: 'Friends, I would like to be more cheerful, but right now I am too terrified to be cheerful. So I will let you know when I am not terrified anymore.'"

The moment I delivered Aldo's message, I felt better. Aldo had made it OK for me to cope in my own way, to recover at my own pace, to be my own mess of a self. That is when I began to realize that I had been tyrannized by the idea that everyone must always have a positive attitude.

Having flourished in my own authentically kvetchy way, I believe that we would be better off if we let everyone be themselves — positive, negative or even somewhere in-between.

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me again:

Id rather accept others' instincts and allow them to "be themselves"

after all there are MANY who have succumbed from serious illnesses despite their "positive attitudes" and others who gallantly overcome despite lacking such a rosy outlook!!

To possibly leave room for others to say " youre not positive, or positive enough, thats why youre still ill" is a disservice and frankly insulting to those facing all kinds of challenges.

Thats why I say: IF being positive helps you--fantastic--and if being less rosy or crabby helps you--just as fantastic--whatever gets you thru this which we call "life"!!!!

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04/10/2008 03:35
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Jamie:

Ok gotta get that tshirt, love it...If I see it Iwill get you one, email me your size...

Julie

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04/10/2008 05:46
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good point Fin. I'm not saying to be "cheery" positive. Just more of a silent trusting that you will get well. Believe me, I'm not a happy camper most of the time. Many would probably call me a raving b*tch" half the time But that's ok. Be who you have to be, do what you have to do. I think that's why groups like this are so important. So many people in our 3D lives don't get this. How can they, I mean, when I look at all my insaine symptoms it's hard to fathom, let alone if I had no clue about it all. So having a group that really gets it, and you have a safe place to vent, or cry, or laugh, it's a good thing ....
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04/10/2008 11:11
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Jaime

AMEN

(please dont take what I posted wrong...its just that I get so tired of people telling me that my "accepting" each day as in "it is what it is" and going forward isnt positive enough because I dont say, " well tomorrow I will be cured"--Ive gone too long to know that may not be true--I just pray that each day I can handle whatever challenges are given to me...period)

and to all my Jewish friends, may we all have a HEALTHIER and " Ziessen" Passover

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