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03/24/2008 06:12
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http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/lyme.html

Know before everyone comes back with the negative attitude, please take the time to read this..I found some of it to be very interesting....

Julie

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03/24/2008 08:12
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03/24/2008 15:09
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Hi Julie

I often use quackwatch as a starting point--letting them do the legwork so to speak. Then go further-But many articles have a definite bias...so like reading a newspaper you have to be familiar with the politics of the paper, owner publisher and even the author.

While I wont throw all away ( proverbial baby with the bathwater) I do know that Barret himself has been accused and charged with well, being a quack and doing questionable things.So since last year I started to read that site as a "pot calling kettle" and then seek more info.

Ive been familiar with Lyme info on there and yes it is very interesting!!!

I am as always intrigued at the references they chose and mostly the ones they left out! A pick and choose game BOTH sides tend to play.

Can we calmly, in a friendly way share the pros and cons and the valid and not so valid info of the article??

or if you prefer we can leave it as an FYI- interesting article in a marginally trustworthy site?

Im easy and dont want to begin a discussion if that wasnt your intent!

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03/24/2008 16:38
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Just thought I would share what I found...I don't think there is anything set in stone about lyme...
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03/24/2008 17:23
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03/24/2008 19:04
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absolutely and that is the problem--no one joining forces so to speak to share research and clinical data and come to a consensus about what does and does not help and why!!

thats why we are still in a muddled mess after all this time!

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03/24/2008 19:14
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03/25/2008 07:06
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What can we say? Did any of you see that movie with Erin Brokovich? I'm thinking of the scene where she had that meeting with the company who was spilling toxic chemicals into the local water supply. The community was coming down with all kinds of cancer. Yet, the company was in denial. She was against great odds to prove her theory. Well, at the meeting she offered them some water....from the community where the water was contaminated. They declined the drink of water. Now, the author of the quack watch article reports there is no such thing as chronic lyme and lyme disease is indeed very treatable with just antibiotics. I wonder how he would react to a tick bite himself? Doesn't it make you want to throw some infected ticks his way....wait ten or twenty years before he's diagnosed....Now, let's see if he believes in chronic lyme. Come on, we are not making this up! I am rolling my eyes.
Please do not take anything I say as medical advice. I am not a doctor.

Open your mind to the possibilities available to you.

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03/25/2008 07:10
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oh yes, was referred to this article at another lymes group, i found some of it interesting, some made me wonder if i did indeed have lymes....very interesting all around

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03/25/2008 11:31
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IF the article makes both LLMds and IDs stop to really examine a patient and accept that MAYBE its not Lyme or maybe Lyme plus another coincidental illness that should be dealt with

or if it makes those quick to pay for a miracle cure stop and think first and do the HW about risks and benefits--then it was worth it.

I enjoy articles even the ones I dont absolutely agree with, if it starts a dialogue that opens the doors to information so many will be safer!!

No one benefits from those saying either " it HAS to be Lyme" or " it CANT be Lyme". and as for the money??? the support groups barely break even and not much if any gets into the hands of researchers...

the LDA has a HUGE budget and they use it to support Columbia's research and political wrangling--so darn necessary in this country

BUT some of us at another group ARE looking into that money flow/trail!! as well as "connections" to websites making money,.I always say follow the money and power trails to get the tru story--unfortunately in America money and power are the roots of much evil and become the sine qua non.

IF we find out where that large cache of funds is really going and IF its less than honest we will be publicizing it!!other than that what other large financial group is there in Lyme?? where else is it being pooled??

bisja-

I agree that money doesnt equal answers BUT where is all this Lyme money??

LLMDs charging money to pay for the larger amounts of time spent? My neuro consult took all of 15 minutes ( told me he couldnt help me and to go to a super specialist) and he charged my insurance $600

HE gets to keep that money so I think when my LLMD charges me 185 for 30-40 min appts he can keep that too!!

WHERE is all this money you think is in Lyme??

supplement companies charging 3-5 times cost for "cures"?-agreed

Miracle cures and authors claiming to have "the answer"??- you bet

Lyme coaches charging 150 an hr to tell you whats free and easily found everywhere? oh so true

How about all those donate back a measly 10 percent of their ill gotten gains to research and clinical studies??? THATS where much of the money lies.

drained from the pockets of the desperately ill and hoping to be cured by any means people out here.

The ones claiming people out there are making Lyme an industry like cancer are often the very ones SELLING their snake oils!!. So far I have yet to see one, ONE of the naysayers put their money where their mouth is and support a real valid study to see what does and does not heal us and why...i.e. a real set of protocols that work not just on a few handfuls at a time.

the explosion of books and ebooks and website "experts" on Lyme-yet not only do they NOT support research but they also now brag about how much theyr making off "their" illness ( and some cant verify they even had Lyme)--and do so from Hawaii and on CRUISES and other exotic places. THAT just angers me.

Its up to US the consumer patient to be wiser and more descriminating, to ask questions before accepting advice (even mine!! } and to cap this growth in the business of Lyme. and redirect efforts to studies and comparisons and research analyzing what IS and is NOT about this illness.

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