Lyme Disease Support Group

I find in my 7 years of research that most people suffering from lyme dont fully recover after intense long-term antibiotic therapy.

Sure they do make you feel better and they have definitely improved my life over the past two years, but they have not brought me back to full health yet.

I have done all bloodwork needed and treated all coinfections. Babesia is now negative in testing. Despite two years of combination antibiotic therapy my cd57 count is sitting at 14.

I still have spirochete floaters in my vision. I can still see small "cyst" looking balls that are transparent in color floating next to the spirochete floaters sometimes.

These have lessened while taking high dose Minocycline. They are still there though. I am going to stop the antibiotics soon and go natural and salt/C.

Anyways, I think the reason most dont get better is because lyme disease is not just a normal bacteria, the bacteria is intra-cellular. It is parasitic, and brings along with it many parasitic co-infections.

Treating one with just antibiotics is simply not enough. If it is left time to grow and reproduce with no treatment, it can grow to a normal worm state and be visible to the eye. www.lymephotos.com is real.

The bacteria will set up inside the body somewhere, maybe the small intestine? It will be encased in a biofilm like substance. Antibiotics will never kill it. It has many many stages.

The antibiotics will do work on the actual bacteria, but not the mutated forms of borrelia. I have several photographs of things in my stool, some can be exactly compared to photos from lymephotos.com.

The bacteria works in the same way all around, but once it is "macroscopic" meaning visible to the eye because it has had time to grow, then antibiotics are not going to be the answer.

I have photos of Cercaria in my stool, and an unknown parasite.

This all is my own opinion by the way, im sure i will be highliy criticized but it is what i believe. If I am right, I will know in the future. I believe I am.

In my opinion This link explains what I am saying in non-medical terms for better understanding.

If im treating a bacteria only, why do I keep finding parasitic things in my stool? Im not saying everyone has lyme like this, but in the late stages I believe it advances to this stage.

The links i tried arent working. Ill just post links. These are all photographs of what I believe to be borrelia that has advanced. Also the first link is a link to a parasite I passed.

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http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/parasite-discussions/ general-support/2509401-can-anyone-identify-this-picgraphic

This guy has a photo similar to lymephotos.com photos. http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/parasite-discussions/ general-support/2158588-parasite-photos-now-here

Borrelia(Great link, keep scrolling down) http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1330612#i

Borrelia http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1668786

Borrelia http://www.lymephotos.com/bb/index.html

Younger stage http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1508499

I have seen plenty more pictures as well just cant find them at the moment. Just my opinion on everything here. Anyone that has had this for a long time needs to take this into consideration.

This bacterium is capable of developing into a worm-like adulthood stage & has many stages to its life cycle. It is not only a spirochete that swims in the bloodstream. IF LEFT UNTREATED it will finish its life cycle and become an adult worm.

Im not saying antibiotics arent good, but they wont kill this part of the infection. I think antibiotics are a must, but I also think a long term anti-parasitic approach is also a must combined with antibiotic therapy, or after antibiotic therapy has finished.

Am i crazy?

Post edited by: ten1988, at: 07/24/2012 08:18 PM

Post edited by: ten1988, at: 07/24/2012 08:20 PM

That parasite you posted a picture of are the exact same things that come out of me. I notice after I do a coffee enema, the next day, more of those parasites come out than usual. Seems the acid in the coffee kills them off in the liver and then they get flushed out.

I'm taking Ivermectin now and yesterday for the first time I notice a white parasite come out. I never had that kind come out of me before. It looked like a worm of some sort but I cannot identify it. I've had liver flukes and tube looking things come out of me as well.

I took a tupperware full of what you posted on the other thread and showed it to my GP. He said he just looks like mucous covered poop. Ha! I told him that's not mucous covered poop, it's parasites. He didn't believe me. Bye-Bye, doctor. Or as Donald Trump would say, "You're Fired!".

My GI doctor agreed to test my stool samples and send them to LabCorp. I knew it would come back negative because I've read from many others that LabCorp rarely ever comes back positive for parasites. Sure enough, the test came back negative. I knew better.

I offered to bring my tupperware full of critters to show my GI doctor so he could see that the test results were wrong. He wasn't interested in looking at them. I asked him if he'd at least look at the pictures I took of them. He said he wasn't interested as he takes LabCorps test results as the final word. Another doctor who I gave the "pink slip" to.

I went to another doctor who happened to be a MD/ND and asked him if he had experience with parasites. He said we don't have parasites in Oklahoma. Right!!

Anyway, I convinced him to use Metametrix Labs who happens to be one of the premiere labs for parasite testing. I gave him the information I downloaded from their website and asked if he would use them for parasite testing. He reluctantly agreed to do it, so we went ahead and sent them off to Metametrix and waited two weeks for the results.

When I went back to his office he admitted he was quite surprised to read the results of my lab test. He told me it came back positive for hookworms. He also said he was quite impressed with Metametrix Labs.

Anyway, I can't say that I got hookworms from LD. I've been to Mexico a few times and have always eaten things that I probably should not have eaten while there. So it's possible I got it there, or possibly from food contamination from eating out. Who really knows? The fact is, over 50% or more people in the US have parasites of some sort or the other.

This is probably why so many people suffer with long term GI issues due to parasites. I've taken Albendazole and it helped, but the parasites came back. I'm doing Ivermectin at this time, when I finish this I will take Alinia.

If I still have parasites after that then I will try a couple other medicines that Dr. Klinghardt prescribes to his patients. Dr. Klinghardt believes that parasites, candida and metals need to be dealt with before treating LD, otherwise we're just spinning wheels.

I believe the reason so many people on abx, or even herbal protocols, relapse is because they don't treat parasites. These critters are nasty things that poop in your body and cause all kinds of problems for us. They make us toxic and cause GI problems and many other problems as well. I believe this is why many of us often feel so sick and nauseated, but we think it's LD when it might really be parasites.

I encourage everyone to look into parasite treatment. If you aren't treating parasites, and if you're not making any progress in your LD treatment, this very well could be why.

Thanks for bringing this up ten1988. This is something we should all be paying more attention to in my opinion.

Gary

The website has been under strong attack as being a hoax. Definitely, the so-called pictures of borrelia bacteria don't look like any pictures on official, scientific websites describing these bacteria.

Where is the typical spiral form that gave them their name "spirochetes"?? Borrelia don't consist of two parallel strands. Babesia viruses look quite different from the pictures there as well.

The lyme bacteria and their cysts are way too small to be visible to the naked eye or even with a magnifying glass.

The bacteria are too thin to be visible under regular microscopes:

"Spirochetes are usually much longer than they are wide, and often their width is below the resolving power of the light microscope. For example, Borrelia may have a length of 20-30um but a width of only 0.2-0.3um.

Hence, most spirochetes cannot be viewed using conventional light microscopy. Dark-field microscopy must be used to view spirochetes. Dark field microscopy utilizes a special condenser which directs light toward an object at a angle, rather than from the bottom.

As a result, particles or cells are seen as light objects against a dark background."

http://textbookofbacteriology.net/Lyme.html

I don't know what the pictures on this websites are, but I do know they don't show borrelia and babesia.

Post edited by: jileha, at: 07/24/2012 07:58 PM

Go to http://www.townsendletter.com/FebMar2006/lyme0206.htm

Scroll down almost half way where it says Photo 1.

You will see an image of the spirochete under the bradford variable projection microscope.

"I. Normal spiral form of spirochete, length of approximately 25 µ with evenly spaced blebs along its membrane. (See Photo 1.)"

The spirochete has evenly spaced blebs along its membrane and it, to me, looks like it if had time to grow it looks just like the photographs on lymephotos.

The fact is, the reason you dont see this "parasite" anywhere else on the web describing it as borrelia is because it is rare to find the specimen. Not everyone is using anti-parasitic methods anyways, thats how this is passed.

I mean think, the people on lymephotos say it took TWO MONTHS of continuous gradually increasing salt and vitamin C therapy to get these to come out of the body. They dont come out easy & Not everyone looks at every stool either to see if they are passing anything.

I will be switching up my treatment soon. Salt & Vitamin C will be the main ingredient, besides lots of water . I will stay on an antibiotic while on the salt therapy so the actual "microscopic" bacteria dont increase in numbers again.

Believe what you like, but I'm going to get better. 100%. Thats that. I will be taking photographs of everything from now on. Theres more to this illness than we all know.

It would be a panic if it got out in the US cdc confirmed that lyme was now a parasite as well and could evolve into an adult wormlike being, covered in biofilm and the colony of now macroscopic bacteria isolating itself in the human Gi tract.

Thats basically what I think it does. Theres a lot more to it of course and I will find the answer out soon enough.

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Post edited by: ten1988, at: 07/24/2012 08:49 PM

25 u is a huge difference from being visible to the naked eye! Also, that picture in the article you quote does not consist of two parallel strands.

Bacteria are single-celled organisms and are 10-100 microns large. There simply are no bacteria of the size you describe. And bacteria don't really grow. The cell grows somewhat prior to splitting in order to duplicate its DNA, then it splits into two normal sized cells, and that's pretty much it.

You might have some kind of parasites, but you simply cannot see borrelia in your stool, even if they were there. But many lyme patients also have parasites.

I am not against the salt/Vit C treatment. I've read lots of posts in a forum where a good number of people had some promising success treating lyme after being on ABx for years.

Good luck and please keep us posted about your experiences and hopefully progress!

Bb IS a bacteria...it DOES behave like both a virus and a parasite in many ways...but it is a bacteria...and CANNOT be seen with the naked eye...

Liver Flukes (any breed) are very hard to kill because they live in cycles/stages & if you don't get them all at certain times, they continue to reproduce.

The best way to kill them all off for good is to get the strongest tincture you can find containing woodworm, black walnut & cloves. Buy a separate bottle of Red Clover & take it with the 1st. tincture. The red clover will ensure that the Liver Flukes are killed regardless of what stage they are in.

I totally agree with you that intestinal parasites play a big roll in people with LD & Co. remaining ill. Reason being, the parasites rob our bodies of Vit/Min that allow our immune systems to heal properly. Get rid of the parasites & you will start absorbing the Vits/Mins.

Also, please be aware that if you do decide to finally kill off your liver flukes, the amount of toxins that are going to be released into your body from die off is 10 fold compared to other die off (well, maybe not yeast) Make sure you are doing a heavy detox protocol before starting. Best wishes in your recovery.

I know that anything less than 8 micron is hard to see. 12 is fine.

I read that it takes thousands upon thousands of bb stretched out end to end to equal one inch.

I also read that they can grow and become visible to the eye.

Just want them out of me!

Belle

"This bacterium is capable of developing into a worm-like adulthood stage & has many stages to its life cycle. It is not only a spirochete that swims in the bloodstream. IF LEFT UNTREATED it will finish its life cycle and become an adult worm."

What bacteria are your referring to Ten?

Even the largest borrelia biofilm can not be seen with the naked eye.

I do get similar stuff when I do coffee enemas and water flushing my colon, but I do believe they're just part of the intestinal flora (there's literally hundreds of good bacteria in our guts that can form these type of formations.

@Belle

A borrelia spirochete can never grow enough to be visible with your naked eye

Alex

Post edited by: evelinawill, at: 07/25/2012 02:06 PM

Inside the body is totally different and I believe it can grow to macroscopic size, being visible to the eye. It is a genetically-modified organism in my eyes, and is capable of a lot more than everyone believes, especially given time to reproduce and adapt to the human body.

Until I am proven dead wrong with absolute proof that it CANNOT survive and grow inside the human body i will believe what i believe.

EVEN IF this is not borrelia, it has something to do with lyme. Lots of people with lyme have passed this specific looking parasite. Whatever it is resides in the small intestine usually, and grows in rows inside a biofilm like substance.

The lyme bacteria probably reside in this ball of parasites as well, so if you happen to get all of them out of your body, here they come reproducing again because the parasite problem was not taken care of.

The problem is lots of lyme patients probably have this sort of issue, parasitic, and they only treat the bacterial part. They feel good. No symptoms. They stop treatment, while this is residing in their GI tract and boom down the road here comes the infection again.

New Meds will consist of Mebendazole for 3+ months, only taken 3 consecutive days per month. Anti-parasitic

Ivermectin. I have heard a couple people tell me this was the "best med" for lyme disease. Also used in animals in a different concentration. Anti-worm medication.

Sea Salt/Vitamin C. For worms/nematodes/bacilli

Will also add in Flagyl at times, while staying on Minocycline and Rifampin with Azithromycin.

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