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04/20/2012 04:12 PM

Floaters

delaisla3
 
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Hey all,

Does anyone else see little stringy floaters which resemble spirochetes? If so have you been able to get rid of them in any way?

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04/20/2012 04:17 PM
stamkos94
 
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i just started getting weird floaters. hopefully someone knows how to get rid of them. i emailed my LLMD and I am awaiting a response, whatever I receive, I will tell you.

04/20/2012 04:45 PM
nank59
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Definitely - they have been getting worse. Just started Babs treatment and they seem to be coming out of the woodwork.

Some of mine look like circles/dots; some look like worms; some like worms with round heads. Some are individual; others are clustered.


04/20/2012 08:04 PM
beeincharge
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About 2 years ago (before my lyme diagnosis) I got a bunch of them overnight. After multiple eye exams, the eye doc said there was no danger. There's not much you can do about them. They settle to the bottom of your eyes after awhile, out of your line of vision, so you don't see them then. They never go away. I have also had a bunch of new ones since I began lyme treatment 6 weeks ago.

04/20/2012 09:17 PM
wass
 
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I had floaters and they gradually went away after being on samento and GSE for maybe a month.

04/20/2012 10:01 PM
ten1988
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Whoever tells you guys theres nothing you can do about the floaters is wrong dont believe everything.

http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/lyme-disease-support- forums/general-support/3588971-chronic-eye-floatersproblems/ limitstart/10#3601527

Thats a thread from me. I have had this problem ever since treatment. The bacteria WILL hide in the vitreous humour of the eyeball, which is the jelly like substance holding the eye. When they cross the vision a certain way they become magnified, and WE CAN SEE THE BACTERIA THEN AS A FLOATER.

Sure, there are the occaisional "dead-cell" floaters from the bacteria damaging the eyes, but then there are the "actual" bactera that we can see in our eyes.

Do These look familiar?

The circle dots are cyst forms of bacteria. I can see these same floaters, only sometimes might arent quite as long as these and sometimes have a twist shape such as an L or an S with little dots around them.

I have read Turmeric in good doses can help with these. Also Minocycline crosses the BBB and can be useful against these.

A lot of ppl complain they dont notice these weird floaters until AFTER starting treatment. Antibiotics arent going to get into the eye and get these, especially the low doses often prescribed, therefor the bacteria can hide here and feel comfortable as long as it wants.

When the BB is in the presence of antibiotics it will try and find protective Niches such as in the eyes, or in the tendons or CSF.

Has anyone ever had any clever thoughts? I have thought of taking a bath in vitamin C/Salt before and opening my eyes under the water for a few seconds so the salt/vitamin c can penetrate the eyeballs, as im sure the Vit C/salt would absorb right through the eyeball easily when opened underwater.

I have also thought it might burn lol. Theres an idea though. There is a way to get these once I find it out Ill let you all know Smile

By the way I have been on Minocycline now for two weeks so far and my floaters have already improved. I am noticing there are less than before using this medication. Ill keep an update Smile

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04/20/2012 10:14 PM
nank59
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They look very familiar. They look exactly like what I see all too often.

Is this a photo specific to Lyme, or are these associated with a coinfection?

They look a lot like spirochetes and their cyst formation.

Post edited by: nank59, at: 04/20/2012 10:28 PM


04/20/2012 10:32 PM
nank59
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Now I'm confused...just read an article on the Columbia University website that indicates that floaters have nothing to do with Lyme.

This link is to the article -

http://asp.cumc.columbia.edu/lymedisease/askthedr/for_pt/ displayanswer1-lyme.asp?Departments=LymeDisease& Controlnumber=1623

I was wondering if Lyme Disease affects eye sight at all?

Lyme disease can affect eye sight in a number of ways.

If the extraocular muscles are involved as in a cranial nerve palsy, then the muscle weakness may result in double vision.

Patients may report that their visual acuity appears to be less.

(Some patients mistakenly think that "floaters" seen on the surface of the eye are spirochetes -- floaters are normal and are common in healthy people as well...and have nothing to do with Lyme disease.)

If there is central involvement of the visual pathways, then some patients may experience a marked sensory hyperacusis such as prominent painful light sensitivity (requiring the wearing of sunglasses in normal daylight) or rarely visual trails.

In very rare cases, an unattenuated increase of intracranial pressure (esp in children) from neurologic Lyme disease may result in blindness.

Of course, any visual problems should be checked by an ophthalmologist or a neuro-ophthalmologist who can then perform a thorough differential diagnosis to rule out other conditions.

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The following article from The University of Illinois in Chicago states that Lyme can be associated with floaters:

http://www.uic.edu/com/eye/LearningAboutVision/EyeFacts/ LymeDisease.shtml

Lyme Disease and the Eye (Espanol-click)

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Last Updated: 5/01/91

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Lyme disease is a tick-borne disease that often goes unrecognized until it has affected many parts of the body, including the eyes.

This section of Eye Facts will describe how early recognition and treatment can prevent visual loss or other severe consequences.

Lyme disease is named after the Connecticut community where the first American cases were reported in 1977. The children affected had what appeared to be juvenile arthritis after first having a rash.

What causes lyme disease?

Lyme disease results from a bacterial infection transmitted by a tick bite.

The tick responsible for spreading the disease is the ixodes dammini species. These insects infest white-tailed deer and white-footed mice.

Humans are exposed to the disease by coming in contact with an environment (commomly rural or suburban areas) where either of these animals live.

The risk of being bitten occurs when a person's bare arms or legs come into contact with leaves and grass on which the ticks linger.

Illustration of a common tick.

© University of Illinois Board of Trustees

Usage without written permission is prohibited.

In Europe, years before the recognition of lyme disease in the United States, a different species of ixodes tick was found to spread a rash and meningitis (an inflammation in the brain).

These early cases are now believed to have been lyme disease.

A spirochete, or spiral bacterium, called Borrelia burgodrferi, is the cause of lyme disease. It has been found on Ixodes ticks and in patients with lyme disease.

Illustration of spirochetes.

© University of Illinois Board of Trustees

Usage without written permission is prohibited.

Where does lyme disease usually occur?

In the United States, lyme disease is most prevalent in wild or heavily wooded areas in certain regions.

These include the Northeast, the upper Midwest (Wisconsin and Minnesota) and the Pacific Northwest (California and Oregon).

The disease also is becoming more common in suburban areas where there are large deer populations.

What are the symptoms?

The initial symptom in most persons infected with lyme disease (60 to 80 percent) is a red, spreading rash on the skin around the tick bite.

This rash is known as erythema migrans.

Sometimes a fever, flu-like symptoms and swollen glands accompany the rash.

If left untreated, the rash fades in three to four weeks, but it can recur in some people.

Up to 50 percent of patients with lyme disease do not remember the initial rash or being bitten by a tick. Therefore, some people do not receive treatment right away.

Without treatment, the infection can spread through the bloodstream into the joints, brain, eyes, and/or heart.

Excruciating headaches may occur.

Three weeks to several months after the tick bit, 15 to 20 percent of patients develop neurologic disease or meningitis.

The most common nerve-related problem is facial palsy (drooping of the muscles on one or both sides of the face).

Bell's palsy is a common term for paralysis on one side of the face.

Arthritis occurs in many persons with lyme disease, usually six months or longer after the tick bite.

Four to eight percent of those with the disease develop cardiac involvement, usually heart block. This can in rare instances be fatal.

How does lyme disease affect the eye?

Fortunately, involvement of the eye is uncommon in lyme disease. But when the eyes can be affected in many different ways by the disease.

In the early stage of the disease, many persons have conjunctivitis. In this condition, commonly called pink eye, the eyes are red and uncomfortable, and there is a discharge of pus.

Unlike many forms of conjunctivitis, the type that occurs in lyme disease is not contagious.

In later stages of the disease, inflammation of the eye may develop.

Parts of the eye that may be affected include the uvea, the middle layer inside the eye, the cornea, part of the outer coat of the eye; the iris, the colored circle around the pupil, and the choroid, a layer of blood vessels in the eye.

Ocular symptoms can include sensitivity to light and floaters (spots in front of the eyes).

Inflammation of the optic nerve (optic neuritis) also can occur, which results in visual loss. Loss of vision can result from inflammation in the brain as well.

Persons who develop Bell's palsy may be unable to blink or close their eyes. This dries the cornea and can result in an infection or even a hole in the cornea, which can endanger vision if not treated promptly.

How is lyme disease diagnosed?

Lyme disease can be difficult to diagnose because many patients are unaware of the tick bite or the rash (if they had it).

Another problem is that some of the nervous system signs and symptoms can mimic another disease, multiple sclerosis.

When a physician suspects lyme disease, blood tests may help in the diagnosis.

Unfortunately, none of the blood tests available are highly accurate.

Because of the difficulties of diagnosis, some persons are misdiagnosed as having lyme disease, and in some other persons the diagnosis is suspected but never confirmed.

In addition to blood testing, another way to confirm an uncertain diagnosis is to test a patient's response to a trial of therapy.

What is the treatment?

In early stages of lyme disease, when the rash is apparent, the bacterial infection is treated successfully with oral antibiotics. These include doxycycline or tetracycline.

In late stages, when eye disease, arthritis or neurologic disease is present, therapy consists of intravenous antibiotics (e.g., penicillin or ceftriaxone).

However, in late stages antibiotics may be effective only to a certain extent or may even fail to work. In these cases, neurologic damage may progress or blindness may result.

Although much is now known about lyme disease, better ways to diagnose and treat it are still needed. Early recognition of the symptoms is important in avoiding severe medical problems later.

Lyme disease can be prevented. I

f you are in an area where ticks live, avoid wearing shorts and short-sleeved shirts; cover as much of your skin as possible.

Use an insect repellent on your hands and face.

If you live in an area where ticks are prevalent, watch out for signs of lyme disease. Immediately seek medical attention after a tick bite of if you develop a spreading rash.

"Eye Facts" is intended as an informational series and should not be used as a substitute for medical advice.

The Comprehensive Ophthalmology Service is located in the Eye and Ear Infirmary at 1855 W. Taylor Street, Chicago IL 60612. For eye appointments, call (312) 996-4356.

Please note that all illustrations and images within the Eye Facts collection are copyright protected and are the property of the UIC Board of Trustees. Unauthorized use of the images is prohibited.

For usage of any Eye Facts content or illustrations please contact the Office of Medical Illustration at eyeweb@uic.edu or 312-996-5309 for licensing

College of Medicine

University of Illinois Medical Center

Michael Reese at UIC

Millennium Park Eye Center

© 2011 UIC Board of Trustees. All Rights Reserved.

Post edited by: nank59, at: 04/20/2012 10:35 PM

Post edited by: Bettyg, at: 04/21/2012 03:09 AM

Post edited by: Bettyg, at: 04/21/2012 03:17 AM

i copied/pasted entire articles above without any photos, which i don't know how to do anyway! Ermm bettyg, leader

Post edited by: Bettyg, at: 04/21/2012 03:23 AM


04/21/2012 03:25 AM
Bettyg
 
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nan,

good find on the links; i copied/pasted them above.

chicago one i found many mistakes in. percents found on things, etc.

during my recent annual checkup w/my specialist, she was saying how prominent my worm floaters were; she looked for lyme disease in my eyes plus a repeat of diabetis retinopathy; whoopie; FOUND NONE!

bettyg, leader


04/21/2012 07:26 AM
beeincharge
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Thanks for all of the information. Just a quick response to ten1988, I don't think it's a good idea to open your eyes in the bathwater. You can get an eye parasite that way, (I saw it on Monsters Inside Me). There is bacteria in tap water.
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