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02/03/2012 02:15 PM
donkeylover
 
Posts: 9
New Member

Hi,

I am caught in this Lyme war and don't know what to do.

I have a positive PCR test from Igenix with about 4 IND bands on the WB. Everything else negative. A possible sign of Bartonella on the Igenix test.

On LabCorp I have only one positive band on the WB. That is IgM 23. My ND says I have Lyme. I was sent to an Infectious Disease Doctor for a second opinion by my PCP and he said categorically that I don't have Lyme.

The Infec. Disease Dr. says that if the PCR is really positive it should show up more bands on the WB and that band 23 shows up early in the disease which doesn't go along with chronic lyme anyway.

I don't know whether to begin treatment for Lyme or not. Any thoughts?

I am aware of the war between ID Dr.s and LLMDs, but what if the Infec. Disease Dr. is right in my case?

I do have fatigue, etc., but he thinks it is due to something else. Thoughts anyone?! Thanks.

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02/03/2012 02:19 PM  Top
sebnova81
sebnova81
 
Posts: 624
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band 23 is specific to lyme. I would find a LLMD dr right away!
Treating lyme, bart and babs

Hoping for better days in the near future.

"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment." -Ralph Waldo Emerson

02/03/2012 02:59 PM  Top
mowgli
mowgli
 
Posts: 384
Member

My LLMD says its a clinical dx and the blood tests only indicate possible infection. He says the symptoms , history and chance of exposure and other diseases being ruled out are what he goes by. He doesn't bother with any of the special labs because says even they arent 100% so he treats the symptoms period. I have only one band and no positive tests for co-infections but I have Lyme and probably co-infections as well. All other docs gave up and said CFS, fibro and IBS which are bull crap dx's!!! Get an LLMD

02/03/2012 04:16 PM  Top
waxby
waxbyPosts: 4109
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~~~Hello donkeylover, Welcome!

~~~When it comes to Lyme Disease, IDDr's, unless legitimately LL, are amongst the worst enemies against potential Lyme Disease Patients and if you listen to this one SHe will destroy your life!

~~~You are now a Lyme Disease Patient!

~~~For LLDr (Lyme Literate Dr) request, at the top of this page click onto Forums tab to take you to Lyme Disease Forums page. Scroll down to Doctor (LLMD) Requests and click to take you to that page and at bottom of page left click onto Start a New Discussion and then proceed with your request.

~~~Or just click this …

http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/lyme-disease-support- forums/llmd-info/Itemid=217/func=post/do=reply

~~~Hello Newbies ...

~~~Lyme cannot be treated as a lone entity.

~~~Less than 50% of those found to have Lyme Complex ever find a tick or develop a rash from a tick bite, (or mosquito, or any other biting insect that may carry Lyme Complex).

~~~Lyme Disease can be, and often is, a very serious, chronic persistent, potentially dangerous and life threatening, COMPLEX disease, and so, Lyme Complex Disease, or LCD, most often with any number of co-infections, such as Babesia, Bartonella, Erlichia, and many more, that must be treated before Bb, Borrelia burgdorferi, or Lyme, one by one, or simultaneously until at least two months of symptom freedom before even considering stopping treatment yet!

~~~LCD knocks your whole body/mind/spirit out of sight. You need to rebalance, and rehabilitate your whole being!

~~~It is important to realize that each of our needs, and symptoms, are unique and require our careful and discerning, educated, well read, attention.

~~~And there is no magic cure or magic DR or magic clinic. And there are a lot of "snake oils" and "snake oil salesmen" out there, so be cautious!

~~~Some find relief or remission from conventional/pharmaceuticals alone or naturals/alternatives such as herbs etc alone or a combination of any.

~~~AND, relief or remission, not cure, from ONLY long term treatment, even years, in MOST IF NOT ALL chronic persistent cases. That is, if not caught immediately and treated with at least three months of antibiotics, or other effective treatments, and not necessarily for longer ONLY if symptoms are not present after the first month and through the second two months of treatment before even considering stopping treatment yet!

~~~We each have our own combination lock, code, puzzle, conundrum, or mystery to figure out.

~~~Here is another of the main issues with Lyme Dis-ease...

~~~If you do not see a Lyme Literate Dr. (LLDr), and your tests APPEAR “negative,” (or positive), they may treat you for whatever symptoms that your symptomatology SEEMS to fit.

~~~Also, by not seeing a LLDr, a non-LLDr will normally follow the IDSA’s guidelines, rather than the ILADS’ guidelines, http://www.ilads.org/files/ILADS_Guidelines.pdf , or a LL, Lyme Literate/ILADS/IGeneX Lyme Disease test, and so may declare you negative of Lyme Disease based on false standards of detection, including not basing your diagnosis of LCD on symptomatology and pathology, even with a “negative” Lyme test.

~~~And in most cases, if you are or are not being treated for the actual culprit, LCD, the phantom treatments for mocking symptoms will do almost nothing or nothing at all or even cause more problems.

~~~Incorrect treatments can even do damage, such as being treated for MS, which Lyme mocks, with steroids, or any other drug designed to suppress the immune system, etc, that will only intensify the Lyme invasion and wreak additional havoc inside of you and on your life.

~~~Some have even been prescribed surgery, by a non-LLDr for a Lyme mocking "phantom" problem and the surgery, in many or most cases, failed.

~~~Lyme dis-ease can mock 300 dis-eases and exhibit hundreds of symptoms, in any number or combinations, timelines, intensities, coming and going, and to be repeated or not.

~~~However it remains important to carefully rule out other possible problems.

~~~But, let an LLDr do this to save you many middle steps.

~~~If you are working with, WORKING WITH (as in not blindly following) a Dr, hopefully a LLDr, Lyme Literate Dr, OR only with yourself as your healer, if you so choose for your own reasons, pay careful attention to your reactions to each potential remedy.

~~~If the reactions are much too intense, and you are monitoring and comparing them to possible allergic response and …

~~~having carefully ruled out adverse allergic response, as many reactions are the "herx", the Jarisch/Herxheimer reaction to therapies that actually make you feel worse before better, and are a sign of effective therapy, and may be indicative of probable Lyme Complex Disease …

~~~try trimming down, ramping down, dosages to 1/2 or 1/4, even as much as 1/8 the dosage in some cases, to find your personal, more tolerable, not overly aggressive, therapeutic dosage, and then "ramp-up" slowly and carefully.

~~~And always take probiotics between doses of antibiotics, two hours before and after dosing are a good rule-of-thumb. ANTI-biotics kill unfriendly as well as friendly bacteria and so the intestinal flora must be re-constituted with the friendly PRO-biotics.

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~~~There is a general consensus to get a superior diet in order.

~~~That is, no junk. Everyone with any sense whatsoever knows what that is.

~~~This means no sugary sodas or even diet ones or any carbonated dead beverages. Pure junk!

~~~No processed sugar either. No empty calories!

~~~Only nutritiously dense foods in a wide variety of the rainbow such as fresh mixed sprouts, purple and green cabbage and mixed greens salads, mixed berries, etc.

~~~Mostly if not all vegetarian.

http://www.secrets-of-longevity-in-humans.com/vegetarian- protein-sources.html

http://www.vegparadise.com/protein.html

http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/protein.htm

http://makingpages.org/health/myths.html

http://sugarrocket.com/vegan/vegan-myths.php

~~~Mostly if not all raw - fresh unheated fruits and vegetables are raw.

~~~Little to no dairy.

~~~Cut out gluten, wheat, rye, oats, and bran, if you happen to be gluten intolerant, as many Lyme Patients are.

~~~Eat whole grains and brown and wild rice blends, quinoa, amaranth, buckwheat, etc.

~~~Raw nuts and seeds, raw, so as not to destroy living enzymes and essential fatty acids, such as raw walnuts, almonds, pumpkin and sunflower seeds.

~~~Beans, such as kidney, black, and garbanzos.

~~~Cooled down teas to warm (under 110 degrees) with some almond milk and a couple of ice cubes etc (not hot, so as not to destroy living enzymes in raw honey and raw choc if added.) You should be able to hold your finger in it and just feel the warmth, not hot...

~~~Green tea, red (rooibos) tea etc, almond milk, etc, raw honey, raw cocoa powder. Yum!

~~~You could vigorously stir into the warm mix a Tablespoonful or two of some organic chia seed (from health food store and not from the ch ch chia pet getting’ place), and drink it through a straw, unless you want a chia pet mustache!) and/or freshly ground flax seed.

~~~You could also vigorously stir in some brown rice protein powder (from "NutriBiotic") and brewer’s yeast (from "Lewis Labs" - no this is not the yeast that contributes to yeast growth problems, and is very nutritious and a tasty brand), and also some raw maca powder.

~~~I make a mixture in equal amounts of brown rice protein powder, raw maca powder, and brewer’s yeast and use a couple of tablespoons of this mixture in my breakfast tea.

~~~I also include in my breakfast tea my own brewed chai mixture, in descending order of decreasing amounts, of cinnamon, ginger, cardamom, nutmeg, turmeric, cloves, and black pepper. Google each of these spices to learn of their benefits. Mix a big batch of these beneficial dry spices and keep it in an airtight jar in the fridge.

~~~Stir one or two teaspoons of this mixture into a cup of cool water and bring to a boil and stir and pour into tea mug and let steep and settle for about five minutes. Pour slowly and gently into another mug leaving the settled “mud” at the bottom of the cup behind to discard.

~~~Plenty of water, between meals, some with freshly squeezed lemon, for detoxifying, one simple, of many methods critical for consistently, persistently, clearing toxic load from our bodies.

~~~A good rule of thumb for quantity of water to drink is to divide your body weight number in pounds in half, and use that number for number of ounces of water to drink each day.

~~~Go to a health food store and get a sprouting kit and make your own mixed sprouts at home in your kitchen.

~~~Try 2 Tablespoons of broccoli, 2T fenugreek, 10T(5oz) mung bean sprouting seeds in a half gallon sprouting jar.

~~~In three to five days, depending on the temperature, Winter or Summer, and poof, nutritiously dense food.

~~~Don't rinse on last day to keep on dry side to keep longer in fridge. They'll keep for a week in the fridge in an airtight container. Leave uncovered overnight in fridge the first night to chill and breath out initial condensate and then cover and leave covered.

~~~Start a new batch some days before they run out to keep a constant supply for sandwiches, salads, etc. Add it to a big mixed greens salad.

~~~Omega 3 fatty acids and fiber rich seeds such as chia (whole or ground) and freshly ground flax-freshly ground flax as the omegas become unstable after some time after being ground, and flax is indigestible whole. Unheated so as not to destroy vital omega fatty acids and living enzymes.

~~~I use 2 tablespoonsful of whole organic flax seed ( or unground chia) and grind it fresh in a coffee grinder each time I use it. I stir this vigorously into 16 ounces or more of tepid water and soak for five minutes to absorb water and expand and then drink this through a straw 30 minutes before meals.

~~~I continue to drink more water in between meals away from food for better digestion and elimination.

~~~Drinking liquids with meals only dilutes your food not allowing it to digest more properly.

~~~Drinking this flax/water mixture gives digestive/elimination system a jump start ahead of meals in order to capture more bile and transport it out of the body, so the bile is not recycled back into your body, as is what happens to the bile, thus ushering the bile's excess cholesterol and toxic load out of the body. Your body will readily produce more fresh unpolluted bile.

~~~Also flax and chia will help regulate an unbalanced digestive system, whether too sluggish or too loose.

~~~Flax (as well as chia) also contains essential omega 3s and 6s in a healthy proportion of 3 times more 3s than 6s. Most diets contain way too many 6s than 3s.

~~~Corn oil has 46 x more 6s than 3s, very bad. Olive oil has a ratio of 3-6s to 13-3s, very good. We tend to get way more 6s than 3s, not good.

~~~Your body will convert these essential fatty acids into necessary DHA and EPA.

~~~Organic everything as much as possible.

~~~No harmful habits such as smoking etc, or alcohol, which is very bad for many Lyme patients.

~~~As examples, out of hundreds of potential remedies, I have done MMS, and in alternating days, frequencies, amounts, and combinations,

~~~teasel, samento, venus fly trap, banderol,

~~~smilax, Japanese knotweed/resveratrol, andrographis, ("Buhner's Herbs from his book "Healing Lyme.")

~~~Dandelion and parsley extracts, mangosteen extract, olive leaf extract, grapefruit seed extract, bromelain, systemic enzymes, nattokinase, or better, lumbrokinase, Graviola, Sangre de Drago, Jatoba (these three are South American rainforest herbs)

~~~vits, mins, supps, baking soda, superior diet.

~~~And for about a year 100mg a day or every 2nd, 3rd, or 4th day, week, or month of minocycline.

~~~However, for now, I am only doing the MMS and at one to three drops one to three times a day, even skipping a day or more as I am very ill and for many years, as I think I am doing too much too soon for my level of infection.

~~~And now doing HBOT, Hyperbaric Oxygen Treatment, IM Rocephin, Myers' Cocktail IV, Medical/pharmaceutical grade supps, vits. coloidal silver.

~~~However, (update) now …

~~~I am doing every day MMS, Minocycline, Azithromycin, and Rifampin. Rocephin IM, (breaking), Atomidine (hoping to replace Armour Thyroid), HBOT (hyperbaric oxygen treatments, 85 dives and taking a break), Myers Cocktail IV plus glutathione (vits, mins, + glutathione) twice a week, (taking a break), Byron White's A-Bart and A-L pulsing and ramping up very slowly starting with 1/16 of a drop each twice weekly, Samento, Banderol, Teasel Root, vitamins, minerals and supplements ... pondering the seen and un-seen …

~~~Your symptoms will change, come and go, see-saw, roller coaster, scare you, tickle you, nauseate you, turn you shapes, colors, and sizes, make you laugh, make you cry.

~~~Hold tight! This is some Amusement Park!

~~~This forum is your refuge. We "get" you. USE IT!

~~~And remember, "this is a marathon and not a sprint." Be the turtle, not the hare. Moving too quickly could be potentially harmful.

~~~Chronic, persistent Lyme Dis-ease can take a very long time to diminish towards remission. It must be approached carefully, systematically, persistently, patiently...

~~~And ... Never give up!

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~~~On ramping and pulsing...

~~~When a remedy dose hits too unbearably hard, your dose may be too high, and that is after making certain this is not an allergic reaction.

~~~Take a day or two or three off , if you must, until the "Herx" calms down to a reasonably, more tolerable manageable, level, and begin again, every other day, or more, if you must, thus pulsing...

~~~Begin again at a lower more tolerable dose, if necessary, such as 1/2, 1/4, or 1/8 the dose thus ramping down.

~~~If one more dose hits too hard again, take every other or third day off, pulsing, until you arrive at a more tolerable Herx event level and tolerable therapeutic dosing level.

~~~As your Herx effect lessens over time, begin turning up the volume by adding back some dosage level, ramping up, and then closing the pulsing gaps.

~~~And always take PRO-biotics between doses of ANTI-biotics to re-constitute intestinal flora as ANTI-biotics destroy both bad and good bacteria.

Take pro-biotics, breaking open the capsule, if acid resistant strain and not in an enteric coating, starting in your mouth, the beginning of your digestive system, 2 hours before and after dosing, after anti-biotics have cleared the stomach and intestines, are a good rule-of-thumb.

~~~Unfortunately, feeling worse before feeling better, the Herx, is par for the course, but is a useful gauge for pulsing and ramping and consistently, persistently, keeping fire under the critters butts.

```~~~from my straight jacket~~~out on a limb~~~lookin like a cocoon~~~hangin by a thread~~~waitin for a butterfly~~~under the moon~~~Lovey-Dovey, Mitchell~~~

Post edited by: Bettyg, at: 02/06/2012 02:32 AM

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~~ "Sometimes, we gotta go through hell to get to 'Heaven'" -Mitchell
~~ "The way out is in" -Mitchell
~~ "A miracle speaks ...'I don't believe in Miracles.' " -Mitchell
~~ "Life is good, even when it isn't." -Mitchell
~~ "Sometimes you gotta lose to win." -Mitchell
~~ "It's easy when it's easy! Find reason, purpose and meaning when it's hard!" -Mitchell
~~ "If you're gonna think, think again!" -Mitchell
~~ "Make it so!" ...
~~ “When life do what it do, as it do-do, simply say ‘Of Course!’ (to soften life’s ‘blows’)” - Mitchell
~~ A master once said, "When embarking on the spiritual path, 'Oh Dear! There's no turning back! You've really done it now!' "
~~ “Not thoughts be your guide, rather, guide your thoughts.” -Mitchell
~~ "That which is within, and that energy entering this body/mind/spirit, causing harm and ill health, must and will be transformed into love healing energy and sent out in every direction" -Mitchell
~~ One morning ten years ago I awoke from a dream chanting over again and again, and writing this down so as not to forget ... "It doesn't matter who did what, there's nowhere else to go but up ..." -Mitchell
~~ "This life, our life, and what we do with it on this planet is “simply” a display, a reflection, of what is going on in our consciousness. The proof is in the puddin’. Look at our planet, what humans are doing to it, and with it, and to one another, and ask yourself ... ~ 'How’s this working for us/me?' ” -Mitchell
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~~ "Anything is possible, but manythings you think are true, are not ... " -Mitchell
~~ "Grow where you are planted ..." -Mitchell
~~ "Change your future now ..." -Mitchell
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02/03/2012 07:26 PM  Top
threeofus
 
Posts: 359
Member

I was sure my daughter had lyme but her test was negative. A couple of IND bands.

Took her to see an LLMD who agreed to put her on a trial in the absence of positive test but overwhelming clinical symptoms. After 2-3 months of abx, her test became positive. Best thing we ever did was get her on lyme treatment.

Sounds like you are getting the advice I'd give, see an LLMD and stay away from the ID doc.

Igenex testing
IgM:
18++
**31+
**34+
**39 IND
**41+
**83-93+
IgG:
**23-25+
**41+

02/03/2012 07:46 PM  Top
purpleyogamat
purpleyogamat
 
Posts: 2068
Group Leader

I'd suggest trying a cycle of doxy and seeing what happens.

Before I was diagnosed - years before - whenever I took antibiotics, I would have reactions.

I thought they were allergic reactions - I'd get rashes with Penicillins, joint pain with doxy, etc.

Looking back I see where I was herxing not having allergic reactions.

My first set of tests were inconclusive. We had to send out to IGENEX and also did the CD57 test.

CD57 came back really low. And that is a flag for lyme.

We tried antibiotics while waiting for IGENEX to get back and I herxed. Proof enough for me.

The tests came back and confirmed it.

Some people never test positive, some people test positive after a few weeks or months of treatment.

I'd say it's worth a try. Because those other possible diagnoses - the treatment for those could do more harm if you DO have lyme.

I had severe adrenal issues, and was treated with steroids right before we figured out it was Lyme. Really wish I had known sooner before the steroids.

So if you *think* you have lyme- find an LLMD,give it a try. You don't have to do any "radical" treatment right away if you are unsure. Start with oral doxy. See what happens....

Group Leader

Lyme Warrior!

Lyme & MSIDS (Multi-Systemic Infectious Disease Syndrome)

I am not a doctor. Any information offered is based on my experience and personal knowledge. Please always refer to your doctor or other healthcare professional for medical advice.

My story can be found on my profile.

02/03/2012 07:51 PM  Top
Crayfish
Crayfish
 
Posts: 365
Member

I hope I live to see the day these infection disease doctors get there asses handed back to them - all chewed up Ina box covered with spiders, fleas, mosquitos, and ticks.

I used to blame all doctors and to some extent I still due but the ID Doctor's are causing so many problems. There really is no excuse for what they already know about other infectious diseases.

My father told me he thinks they should take a random doctor a day and shoot one. I thought that was pretty harsh but my dad was making a point about them. After thinking it over, he might be on to something. shame on them all. They will not be able to hide behind anything when the time comes.

IGM
18 kDa +
**31 kDa IND
**39 kDa IND
**41 kDa ++
45 kDa +
58 kDa +
**83-93 kDa ++

IGG
**31 kDa IND
**39 kDa IND
**41 kDa +

02/03/2012 08:26 PM  Top
GlitchyMomma
GlitchyMomma
 
Posts: 283
Member

Those who stand back and watch when they know it's wrong are just as much at fault sometimes; they become accomplices. The reason our families and friends doubt chronic Lyme is because of this bs controversy created from ignorance or malpractice or both. Lack of info causes fear.

If your head is in the sand, and you are oblivious, then I feel sorry for you. If you put your head in the sand, and chose to stay there when others have disproven your theories, that's prideful and cowardly.

Sorry to hijack the thread, but i agree with the others... Get on doxycycline for 3-4 weeks, and if all your little symptoms start coming out the woodworks... Ding, ding, ding. Validation ala Herxeimer.

Post edited by: GlitchyMomma, at: 02/03/2012 08:30 PM

GlitchyMomma

I am not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV. All comments are based on my personal experience or opinion.
______________________________
Only major "bites" I remember were chigger bites in June 2000 and flea bites in early 2001.

First weird symptom was a panic attack w/ tachycardia in 2001. My husband brought me to the ER, and I was released when everything showed normal.

~June 2001 - Possible VERY early miscarriage, 10 EPTs were positive then I had a heavy menses a few days later. ER said I was never pregnant.

Hashimoto's Thyroiditis dx July 2003
Cholecystectomy March 2010
Vit D3 Deficiency 2011
Progesterone Deficiency 2011
Adrenal Fatigue September 2011
January 2012 Labcorp: IgG 41 Positive, IgG 18 Positive, IgG 23 Positive, IgM 39 Positive, IgM 41 positive
CD57 - 32

ABX: Doxy 28 days, Minocycline 30 days, Ceftin 37 days, 4/16/2012 started Azithromycin

Previous discussions I participated in:
Initial bloodwork / CD57
NEED TO VENT !
Lyme and mold

02/04/2012 12:16 PM  Top
donkeylover
 
Posts: 9
New Member

I just have to say that the tone of your reply is not helpful.

This is supposed to be a place we can ask questions, and come to for support, not to be told that you are prideful and cowardly when you are simply trying to navigate your way through all of this.

People come to this support group at all stages of Lyme and it is my understanding that we are here to support each other, not call each other names.

I understand your frustration at this disease, and assume that is why you have responded in the way that you have. Thanks.

broke up SOLID text so neuros could read it all; emphasized, bettyg, leader

Post edited by: Bettyg, at: 02/06/2012 02:35 AM


Previous discussions I participated in:
Questions re igenix test

02/04/2012 01:13 PM  Top
hiker3
hiker3
 
Posts: 105
Member

Hello donkeylover!

I think the other reply was directing the negative comments toward MD's who dismiss symptoms of Lyme.

I just wanted to say, that I had a lot of reservations about seeing a LLMD at first as well. I went to several regular doctors and they all dismissed my symptoms.

I had 28 days of doxy and my symptoms got worse. Then the doctors gave up and decided I either had a psychological issue or an eating disorder which developed overnight and after multiple tick bites lol.

My main concern with seeing a LLMD was that they would tell me I had Lyme and want to do expensive or risky treatments. I had 2 negative ELISA's prior, so although I strongly suspected Lyme or another infection, I still had some doubts in the back of my mind about being unnecessarily treated.

I knew I wasn't a hypochondriac and that I didn't develop a psychological issue suddenly, so I figured I had nothing to lose with meeting with a LLMD.

I went to an objective ND first and had Igenex tests run. While I waited for the results I made an appointment with a LLMD who also treated other issues, not just Lyme. This way, if it turned out that I didn't have Lyme, I still would have someone who could address the issues.

I was keeping in mind though that test results are not conclusive. Most MD's of any modality believe that Lyme is a clinically diagnosed issue. So even if my test was negative, I would have been open to a clinical diagnosis if I felt the LLMD was competent and trustworthy.

Next, I did a lot of research on my own as I waited for the results. The research really helped me to understand the controversy and become more comfortable with different types of treatments.

I'd be happy to suggest some books for you if you like. Many of them can be ordered into your library.

My test came back positive and my LLMD turned out to be very open to alternatives and also very open to patient input.

Each LLMD will be different just like every MD is different. If you find one that you match up with I think you will have a huge sense of relief.

IND are bands that show some activity. They are significant, and most LLMD's consider them positive. Do you know which bands you tested IND for?

Also I see that your CD57 is under 60 from another post. This provides further "evidence" for lyme as very few things other than Bb can lower the CD57.

Feel free to PM me anytime if you like. Good luck with whatever you decide to do! Smile

Post edited by: hiker3, at: 02/04/2012 01:32 PM

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