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frankjay Posts: 12
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Hello all, I was wondering....can a person's immune system fight off Lyme on it's own like it does with some other bacteria? thanks Frank |
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RavenLunatic Posts: 2597
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IMHO.... I thinks so. I believe people with healthy immune systems can fight of certain "VIRAL & BACTERIAL" infections. Reason being, Bb is a spirochete just like syphilis or TB. When my GM was born in 1916 she had 4 siblings. One of her brothers got TB & passed away. My GM had always shown up as a TB carrier but never developed the infection. She lived for 96 years. Maybe not the people who have been bitten by ticks but the one's who get Bb by others means, I think there are many out there that are carries & just don't know it. "My Disabling, Chronic Illness Is More Real Than Your Imaginary, Medical Expertise!!!" |
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fabajenna Posts: 1822
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Hi Frank- When your immune system is working correctly you can fight off anything..so yes, it can fight off lyme. peace-kim All of my advice comes from research and personal experience. I strongly suggest that you each check with your doctor for approval before changing or adding anything to your treatment.
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Weasy Posts: 943
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Frank On its own the immune system cannot fight off the Lyme. I mean if it could, I don't think this group would exist. Like the flu, we would have our few days of ailing and then we'd carry on with life. Kim is right though. If the immune system is working correctly and is given the proper tools, it can really fight off anything. The thing with Lyme is that it creates a dysfunctional immune system in our bodies. For example, according to Dr Mercola, the spirochetes drill themselves into our white blood cell, which inhibits them from producing antibodies. White blood cells and the production of antibodies are a function of the immune system and the Lyme bacteria can surely cause this required process to battle an invader to malfunction. You also have to consider that even though the immune system may be working properly by strolling through our bodies looking for invaders to destroy, the invader itself may be more evolved. In the case of the Lyme bacteria, it can hide itself in a cyst form and also create a biofilm shield around itself to make it undetectable to the immune system and antibiotics This has nothing to do with immune system function but everything with the evolution of the spirochetes. This is why intervention is required. Antibiotics will wear off until the next dose but the immune system will forever stay the course of protection. Sometimes it just needs a little help! tiredoflyme.com
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wlkthlne Posts: 1605
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Frank this an awesome question, and a good one for victims to try and answer vs. get a Doctors opinion. If you are talkin' about JUST Lyme..I agree, yes it can. Why did I have probelms in the Lyme deparartment? Well, I was one of those guys that did NOT respect my body..I fed is more crap than I ever want to admit... I needed help, my immune needed help to fight these buggers..... Umm, now On the topic of Bartonella.....well...this damn thing..is..one agressive SOB...I've got my immunne...my habits..etc..clean for over 3 yrs and...well......Bart is still a problem to put it nicely.. There are just so many factors...to your question........ But I say one thing....do everything you can....diet, health, excersice, and that whole list............ See where that would bring the question..... Best to you and all, WLk= Anything I post or respond to comes from a Lyme and Bart victim himself. I am NOT a doctor. I do my own research for ME...I may share my findings and will post them. They are for general talk and vent...If a group leader feels the info is worth saving somewhere, they are more than welcome to do with it as they like. Wlk=) |
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RL123 Posts: 226
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For myself I was bit by a tick 16 months before getting sick from Lyme, I had no idea that was a tick I pulled off myself that day in the shower, the whole thing happened so quick. Pulled something off myself, thought that kind of looks like a bug. Then poof down the drain. My immune system fought Lyme that entire time. I think it is a combination of things that lead to Lyme Disease, we found a large colony of mold in our house a few months back, I believe that the mold suppressed my immune system, then the Lyme took over. I don't think it's just Lyme that is the culprit, If you have the HLA DR test you might find out that you can't detox one or the other or both, I think it is our genetics that determine who will get sick form this stuff. It you can't detox mold or Lyme that will determine if you get sick from these things. The toxins are what suppresses our immune systems. My two cents. R |
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purpleyogamat Posts: 2076
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I think if it was JUST lyme (Bb) .... then maybe the immune system could handle it. But with all the TBDs & viruses that one tick can carry - the immune system is overwhelmed. So it is hit with more than just Bb, and can't fight it off. Also, most people have other things going on - yeast, viruses, thyroid, etc that their immune systems are already busy. Add lyme to that, and no... the immune system can't do it alone. I know our bodies have wonderful healing capabilities.... but lyme is a tricky and smart bacteria. Weasy is right, imo -- if our immune systems could fight it off alone - this group would not exist. Group Leader
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waxby  Posts: 4127
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~~~Helo Frank, ~~~Far a fortunate lucky minority Lyme Complex remains repressed. ~~~Feeling lucky? ``` ~~~from my straight jacket~~~out on a limb~~~lookin like a cocoon~~~hangin by a thread~~~waitin for a butterfly~~~under the moon~~~Lovey Dovey~~~Mitchell ``` ~~ "The way to 'Heaven' is to bring it with you ..." -Mitchell
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benniferobin Posts: 354
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i believe so because i think i got it from my husband who has no symptoms, no issues, and is in amazing health. he has not been tested yet but he was bitten in 2007 by 7 ticks which i pulled off of him. i got sick in 2011 after my 3rd baby's birth in january. he is still fine. ***in good health, jen*** |
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neska Posts: 1462
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if we are totally free of bacteria, parasites, viruses...... YES our immune sysmtem could irradicate but unforutantely, with all of the colds we had over the years, bacterial infections, fish we may have eaten filled with parasites.....there is no way in hell NOW that our immune system could possible take care of this disease. just know that our gut is 70% of our immune symstem.....so take care of the gut, take probiotics! |
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