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11/10/2011 06:38 AM
VicMac
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Hi friends,

I was kind of wishing that we had an ongoing thread addressing how to overcome some of the side affects of drugs we are taking, so that we will WANT to stay on them long enough to obtain the best treatment results.

I have been on Doxycycline now for over two months ( actually just switched to Minocycline last night ), and want to stay on this particular class of ABX long enough to reap its full benefits.

Problem is, it is causing me an overly extreme case of sunsensivity that means I can't even go outside with a hat and sunscreen on.

I am being burned even through the sunscreen in certain areas, and getting hit and affected by indirect sunlight ( even through my car windows when driving. )The areas that get burned then result in an ongoing rash.

I can tell you all that being this time of the year, with the leaves turning and the cool days, and not being able to go out at all, is making it hard for me to even want to continue with this medication!

I keep thinking that I am going to stop it sooner, but I am afraid I will only do myself more harm.

To at least be able to get out and drive without getting burned on the side of my face, I am headed for a glass tinting place today, where they are going to put a 95% UV ray blockage tint on all my windows.

It needs to be within legal limits on the darkness of the tint. For everybody's record, the cost is estimated to be only $90 dollars if I do only the front upper part of the window and two side windows of the front seat.

If I do the two back seat windows where the sun hits me at an angle sometimes on my ears, it comes to $160.

If anyone is having this same sun difficulty on the cycline class ABX, you might want to consider doing this, as it took me by surprise when I was driving across country. Had never experienced sunburn through my car window before!

If anyone knows of a cream or something that also helps rid the Doxy rashes, I would appreciate it. This is really the only side affect I am having from the med., but enough to make me want to stop it so I can go outside for more than 5 minutes!!!

Post edited by: Bettyg, at: 11/11/2011 01:53 AM

I wish I had solutions for everybody here who is suffering, but I am still hunting for them myself and seem to be more of a student on this board than a teacher. All I have to offer is my experience, support, and prayers based on what I have learned in my recovery. I am not a physician.
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11/10/2011 06:45 AM  Top
mem2062

I think it was a good choice to switch to minocycline. I have hard that mino is less sensitive to sun exposure than doxy. In regards to side effect, tinnitus is my biggest problem.

11/10/2011 06:54 AM  Top
Explodo
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I had a fixed drug reaction to Doxy that was horrible. caused ulcerations on my private parts.

Be careful with doxy...


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11/10/2011 12:26 PM  Top
szeck
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I've never been on doxy, but I have no problem in the sun with Minocycline. my skin isn't sensitive to the sun in the first place, but i've spent hours in the sun with no additional burn or sensitivity

11/10/2011 03:16 PM  Top
WiscLamLymie
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i think this is a great idea VicMac. it would be nice to have such lists readily available.

and thanks for the info. i'm on clarithromycin currently and have NO idea of anyone's issues. it would be nice to know what others experienced, as i've just begun the full dose last night. all day today: rancid taste in my mouth. all. day.

ugh.

lauren

Was diagnosed with Autonomic Disorder, POTS, Interstitial Cystitis, and Fibromyalgia. True story is I have late stage Lyme which has caused these things. Just began the fight in October 2011 (have been full-blown Lyme since Sept. 5, 2010), and WILL be victorious! Positive bands: IgG 41 and 60; IgM 23 and 41. CDC positive!

Not a doctor, not anyone of any legal standing... just someone on the search.
(Translation: Please do not take anything I say as medical advice. Always see your doctor when needing medical advice.)

11/10/2011 03:35 PM  Top
shorelinelyme
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WiscLamLymie,

Clarithromycin is Biaxin...a macrolide and pretty common abx for those with Lyme. It was one of the first abx that I was on- and I was on it with Plaquenil.

I wasn't on it long enough- to tell you that much- except for it is known for the metallic taste it can cause in your mouth & stomach upset, too...I never had this because I made sure I took it with a full meal..Chewing gum during the day helped with the metallic taste as well.

Some people do experience increased anxiety/agitation on this abx, though. It's a pretty well documented side effect for some- but I never experienced this myself.

Hope you see some improvement on this. I had a friend from CT that got totally healed from Lyme by this abx....and has been off of abx now for 12 years (was on them for 3...)

Hugs,

Jackie

Post edited by: shorelinelyme, at: 11/10/2011 03:43 PM


11/10/2011 06:52 PM  Top
VicMac
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Wisclam, thanks for the info about Biaxin/Clarithromycin, and bum that it causes that awful taste in your mouth. I wonder if this drug is similar to Clindomycin, which is commonly used to dental infections and of the mouth?

I hope the minocycline works as well as the doxy. Jackie I think you mentioned that it gets into the brain area easier?

I think I can tell this, because after having taken only my second dose, I was noticing that I felt dizzy and lightheaded today.

Plus, tonight as I was driving somewhere, I suddenly started to feel flared up all over. For about two hours I felt that way. Now I feel that has subsided.

Is this a mino side affect, or a short herx? And can herxes come and go for periods that brief? My first thought was that the Lyme was just coming back because I had switched from the doxy to the mino.

But since this stuff seems to be going to my head better, maybe it is going to finally start killing the infection in my head and causing me herxes there.

Anyone notice that Minocycline causes lightheadedness and dizziness?

The rash on my fingers and knuckles does not seem to want to go away, even now while on the mino. At least now my car windows are blocking 99% of the UV rays.

Szeck, great to hear you dont have an issue with this. Hope it stays that way for you.

Davmark, are you having tinnitus while on doxy, or mino? Because while on the doxy, I was still having the tinnitus. I guess like you, it did not help that. Am wondering if the tinnitus will subside on Mino?

I wish I had solutions for everybody here who is suffering, but I am still hunting for them myself and seem to be more of a student on this board than a teacher. All I have to offer is my experience, support, and prayers based on what I have learned in my recovery. I am not a physician.

11/10/2011 08:18 PM  Top
VicMac
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Was reading back on some old Minocycline posts and found one Mitchell contributed about its Pros and Cons.

Here is a copy of it for anyone interested:

Minocycline "pros" and "cons"

Advantages:

Very effective. Minocycline has several advantages over other tetracyclines in the treatment of acne, including more rapid clinical improvement, superior efficacy and effective absorption with or without food.

Less photosensitizing. Photosensitivity is least likely with minocycline than with other tetracyclines25-26.

High concentrations in the tissues. Minocycline is widely distributed in body tissues27, with higher concentrations being found in cerebrospinal fluid and sputum than with other tetracycline antibioticss. As in blood, the concentration in tissues is generally 2 to 4 times higher with minocycline than with tetracycline. Equivalent blood and tissue levels achieved whether administered intravenously or orally.

Long half-life (from 11 to 23 hours).

Broader spectrum of antimicrobal activity. Against certain pathogens, minocycline is more potent than the other tetracyclines. Minocycline has excellent in vitro inhibitory activity against both Staphylococcus aureus and coagulase-negative staphylococci, particularly methicillin-resistant S. aureus and methicillin-resistant S. epidermidis strains3-5.

Can be used in renal impairment. Minocycline, like doxycycline and unlike other tetracyclines, can be used in patients with renal impairment (malfunction of the kidneys). Doxycycline and minocycline are eliminated through the hepatobiliary and gastrointestinal tracts. Most tetracyclines should be avoided in patients with renal insufficiency.

Less likely to cause bacterial resistance. Minocycline produces less antibiotic resistance than tetracycline.28-29 Bacterial cell membranes contain a lipid layer. One mechanism of building up a resistance to an antibiotic is to produce a thicker lipid layer. This layer makes it difficult for an antibiotic to penetrate. Minocycline chemical structure makes it the most lipid soluble of all the tetracyclines.

Disadvantages:

Expensive. Minocycline is considerably more expensive than the other generic tetracyclines.

Contraindicated in children. May cause enamel hypoplasia and permanent teeth discoloration.

Lupus-like syndrome. Minocycline is more likely than other tetracyclines to produce a lupus-like syndrome. Minocycline-induced lupus is characterized by the development of non-specific symptoms after long-term consumption of the drug, and the patient usually continues to take minocycline despite their illness as the association is not immediately obvious1. These abnormalities tend to occur after prolonged therapy (often longer than 12 months).

Serum sickness-like reaction. Minocycline induced serum sickness like reaction (SSLR) was first reported in 199030. This is a type of delayed allergic reaction, in which the immune system interprets the antibiotic as a foreign threat. A serum sickness-like reaction (SSLR) to drug usually consists of cutaneous rash, arthralgia/arthritis, and, often, fever.

Photosensitivity. Minocycline may increase sensitivity to sunlight, resulting in more frequent sunburns or the development of rashes following sun exposure.

Intracranial hypertension (pseudotumor cerebri) is an accumulation of fluid around the brain. Minocycline can cause the rare condition of secondary intracranial hypertension31 which has initial symptoms of headache, visual disturbances, and confusion.

Dizziness and other vestibular side effects. Minocycline can cause quite severe dizziness, nausea, vertigo and vomiting32. Vertigo has been reported in as many as 86% of individuals in some series33.

Hyperpigmentation. Unlike other tetracyclines, minocycline can cause a potentially irreversible slate-grey hyperpigmentation of the skin. Blue or blue-black oral pigmentation was seen in 10% of patients taking minocycline for at least 1 year; the rate increased to 20% after 4 years of continuous use2. Large daily doses of ascorbic acid (vitamin C) may prevent this phenomenon34.

Mode of action

Antibacterial

The tetracyclines are primarily bacteriostatic and are thought to exert their antimicrobial effect by the inhibition of protein synthesis.

Minocycline is a semisynthetic derivative of tetracycline and is active against many tetracycline resistant strains of organisms such as staphylococci, streptococci and E. coli. Thus the combined results of many studies show its activity against approximately 87% of tetracycline resistant staphylococci. Minocycline is also active against many strains of staphylococci which are resistant to penicillin G and certain semisynthetic penicillins.

Neuroprotective effect

Minocycline and other tetracycline derivatives have neuroprotective effects unrelated to their antimicrobial properties. Minocycline has the greatest permeability of all tetracyclines through the blood-brain barrier and is well suited for treatment of CNS disorders.

Minocycline can reduce neuronal death after excitotoxicity and ionizing radiation in culture6-7 and in animal models of stroke7-9, Parkinson's disease10-11, Huntington's disease12, and amyotrophic lateral sclerosis13. The neuroprotective effects of minocycline have been attributed both to reduced inflammation and a direct effect on neuronal survival.

Anti-inflammatory effect

Minocycline induces anti-inflammatory and antinociceptive effects unrelated to its antimicrobial activitiy15. Although the exact mechanisms of minocycline anti-inflammatory effects are still poorly understood, they may include the inhibition of matrix metalloproteinase-2 activity, the inhibition of inducible nitric oxide synthase14, prostaglandin E2, caspase-1, caspase-3, and COX-2 expressions and the impairment of cytokine production.

Time for Minocycline to clear out the system

Minocycline half-life is 16 hours (range: 11-23 hours).

```````~~~Mitchell~~~

I dont like the possible greyish skin discoloration that can occur. Has anyone ever experienced any of this, or know of anyone who has from taking Minocycline? Almost sounds like argyria ( which can occur from taking too much Colloidal Silver! )

Post edited by: VicMac, at: 11/10/2011 08:23 PM

used quotes to enlarge text since it was a long, long post Wink bettyg, leader

Post edited by: Bettyg, at: 11/11/2011 01:52 AM

I wish I had solutions for everybody here who is suffering, but I am still hunting for them myself and seem to be more of a student on this board than a teacher. All I have to offer is my experience, support, and prayers based on what I have learned in my recovery. I am not a physician.

11/11/2011 01:57 AM  Top
Bettyg
 
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vicki,

we can't make this a sticky anymore since ALL boards/forums are LIMITED TO 7 STICKIES MAX; we are maxed out on many in our separate forums here on lyme board.

but i'm going to put this in my INDEX FOR MEDS/TREATMENT FORUM, alphabetically so you folks can find it for the future ok Wink best i can do.

note the name i gave it for your future use in finding it ok Wink thanks

http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/lyme-disease-support- forums/general-support/3199544-dealing-with-abx-side- affects

ANTIBIOTICS DEALING WITH SIDE AFFECTS STARTED BY VICMAC

fyi, next time on a subject like this, vicki, it should be posted in medicine/treatments ok; thanks my friend. hugs/prayers to you.

i sunburn too; my 1 diabetis med is doing that to me daily here and i'm covered up too. i feel your pain/sensitivity.

bettyg, leader

Post edited by: Bettyg, at: 11/11/2011 02:00 AM

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11/11/2011 04:25 AM  Top
shorelinelyme
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Vicki,

I've been on minocycline (just going off now) for quite awhile and have not experienced any skin discoloration (thank goodness!)

It seems like there are 2 main options to avoid this- plan to stay on it for a shorter term or up your vitamin c intake.

Another option is ceftin...which I've just been switched to- which penetrates the central nervous system well. Just some ideas to talk to your new doctor about in December...

Hugs,

Jackie

-Dizziness is a common side effect of minocycline. I never experienced this much myself...but I did build the dosage very slowly on this abx. Some LLMDs even prescribe this to be taken every other day because of its long 1/2 life...I did this the first several months that I was on it.

Post edited by: shorelinelyme, at: 11/11/2011 04:45 AM

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