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10/07/2011 08:17 AM
AlostSoul
AlostSoulPosts: 124
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this stuff is really getting to me

and I by no means currently thinking of ideas of an OUT method

but

so much has been going on for so long with this health stuff and right now i cant see any descent doctor.

i have spent the past 20 yrs unwell. the past 3 have been hell the past 2 has been chronic pain or inflammation.

now I have another issue and that is in the mean time while hoping to get help....I started strong pain meds.I only take two a day now but I cant stop taking them because when I do my whole body goes into a attack of some sort.

kinda like all symptoms at once come on.

I took them as usual yesterday, so I know my current issue is not that.

current issue is at 7pm last night gland in neck started hurting

also at 7pm left calf somewhere deep inside it started hurting

8pm front part of head started hurting but that started after my upper back started hurting bad at 8pm

9pm low middle of spine

woke up unrested barely slept

with all of it but now my joint in my left shoulder stringy thick stuff in my rt eye

look like death.

i am confused because I cant get proper doctor care with no money and no insurance and all my endless hrs of research points to what......

COULD BE ANYTHING.

sounds and feel migrating like fibro.

I was diagnosed with fibro few yrs ago but could that be a real diagnosis??????

or is it a bogus cover up for lyme or co's or any other unanswered mystery infection?

point is This all came on strong all of sudden.all i did was start tons of lemon in water for 2 days.I havent walked like I normally do though.

Could this be making everything malfunction and feel like its stiffening up?

but that aint normal either is it?

i have no relationships with anyone at this point because of whatever is wrong with me.

i dont leave my house anymore , i dont do anything.....

like i said im not thinking of ways to get out yet.

if it crosses my mind I will let someone know but i am thinking it is all not worth it anymore.

what if life continues on like this and I do get a llmd and he or she says no its not lyme and we dont know what it is.

thats what will push me to the edge i believe.I already spent years with no answers and all the symptoms are getting worse or changing.

anyone else feel this way any point in there life and what the hell did you do to get out of it

alostsoul

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10/07/2011 09:24 AM  Top
wlkthlne
wlkthlne  
Posts: 1608
Senior Member

Yes, my friend, many of us have and yet here we are together battlin' the biggest battle of our life...I just come here! I see so many with the same crap as me....so....it lifts me to stand tall and FIGHT!

I'm not a doctor by any means, but when you listed your symptoms, it sounds so much you may be battling the same as me...Lyme and Bart.

Some....not all of your symptoms simular to mine...

Your post is new to me....so I don't know alot about you or what you have done...

I would ask these questions

What kind of diet are you on? very important see Dr. B's list

Have you had a blood test done for what supplements your body needs?

Mag(pain)CoQ10,Omega,A's B's C's D3(pain and muscles)E and differnt B's

help when taken with Mag...and B12 for other symptoms.....

Are your calcium levels too high..too low?

For my Bart....I need certain Mag...yes there are diffent kinds....

and there is a certain B that I must be on with that Mag....

YOU MUST GO SEE A LLMD! They can test you for what you NEED!

lemon juice...for me is more of a detox thing.....but I have to be careful....it changes my acidity..vs..ackline.......

Don't ask me to explain....can't..all I know is it ...is all a balancing

act....each person is different MUST FIND what works for YOU.

DO NOT be afraid of an LLMD and what they will say...get one! who cares if they will or will not say Yes,No to lyme or Bart....

They, most LLMD's are very knowledgable...they just may be able to check you and get you started on some basic supplements to get you to feel a little better.....

you mentioned your neck..symptom... I know me when I am fighting an infection or everything is "too much" for my body...my front neck glands and under my arm glands love to tell me about it......

When I tell Doc..I say Yep...thyriod mad at me again...not really sure if that is the total reason....but when my tyroid was going nuts before finding that I had Bart and Lyme...that's were I hurt...

Yes, money is an issue for sure...I've had to struggle with borrowing from family and friends...equity on house...you name it....not easy.

A family church has helped me too. reach out, write to your town supervisor ask him/her what services could help...like program to buy your oil...for you..that would give you money for treatment....etc etc

You have reached out here.....I write to all of them! You can too..

only one I have not written is Obama...he does not seem to be much help.

but hey, he's givin' out money, perhaps it's worth a shot...anything

reach out to anyone you can!

I wish for you lots less pain and more gain(in getting better)....

wlk--Cool

Anything I post or respond to comes from a Lyme and Bart victim himself. I am NOT a doctor. I do my own research for ME...I may share my findings and will post them. They are for general talk and vent...If a group leader feels the info is worth saving somewhere, they are more than welcome to do with it as they like. Wlk=)

10/07/2011 09:26 AM  Top
mem2062

my pain with lyme is pretty constant as well.

I think everyone has thought about OUT methods.

The pain is never ending. I dont know what is

worse the lyme treatment or lyme it self...


10/07/2011 10:53 AM  Top
VicMac
VicMac  
Posts: 1653
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Soul,

It really hurts me and moves to hear you going through all this, because I have been there in the same feelings.

But I can tell you have a bright shining happy soul inside all your pain. And I think you can still come to experience it as the dominant part of yourself. Dont give up hope!

And Wlk is right, you have all of us here to reach out to. I didnt have that for most of the almost 19 years I have had this disease.

But now I dont feel so alone with it, since having this forum of people to talk to.

Most of us can identify with your pain and despair here. I cant tell you how many times I have either wanted death to come, or expected it would any time.

Some of the reason for my recent shift to being more of a "wanderer", is because I can't stand to stay put in any one place and FEEL my disease.

So I move around alot, and as I am able, in order to distract me from it.

But I also did this because so many times I have felt like I was at death's door, and wanted to be prepared to go.

This year I went to both extremes, getting close to almost a near remission, to becoming reinfected and now feeling like my life might be over again.

I got all my things in order and weeded things down to just a very few necessary items I can mainly keep in my car trunk only, so that my family would have an easy task after I am gone and not have to deal with my "stuff" in both New Mex. and Maryland.

Simplifying my needs down to minimal has taken some of the Bart pressure off my head anyway, LOL. But in general, this is how 'unsure' this disease has made me about my life. I always seem to want to be ready for the worst.

But But I know that is just me, I cant say this brings relief for anyone else. The real help has come for me through establishing a strong spiritual foundation.

What Wlk said about diet is very true. Getting clean with our food, does seem to help so many of us here.

I learned to love vegetables, and make them a priority in my diet, and I do think that is the main reason I even got so close to remission.

I will be thinking of you and praying for you. Keep connected with us here, send some PM's to people, and dont give up hope!

If you are not on Social Security disability, you might want to give that some thought to applying for. It can relieve some of the financial burden and get you Medicare.

Wink Smile

Post edited by: VicMac, at: 10/07/2011 10:55 AM

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Post edited by: VicMac, at: 10/07/2011 10:59 AM

I wish I had solutions for everybody here who is suffering, but I am still hunting for them myself and seem to be more of a student on this board than a teacher. All I have to offer is my experience, support, and prayers based on what I have learned in my recovery. I am not a physician.

10/07/2011 11:34 AM  Top
waxby
waxbyPosts: 4266
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~~~Hello AlostSoul,

~~~Yes, even "normal" people have thoughts they don't want. And many of us with Lyme Complex, including me, have had thoughts of suicide.

~~~No one without this disease can imagine how much pain and suffering these microscopic organisms can cause. Those of us with it KNOW.

~~~To explain to someone who has not tasted chocolate, how it tastes, is impossible.

~~~The ONLY way to know it is to experience it. I am deeply saddened for those who have not experienced this chocolate covered miracle.

~~~I am also saddened by those who have not experienced the miracle of suffering.

~~~Yes, you heard me right. I just said that. Sounds crazy, huh?

~~~Don't squander this amazingly beyond words challenging "Bless-ed Curse".

~~~If you have not YET discovered this truth, you have some work to do.

~~~When you do, you will have found your AlostSoul.

~~~Here is one of my past posts, one of my diary entries …

``````` Getting Better Before Getting Better ```````

``` by Mitchell ```

~~~Why me?

~~~Why not?

~~~This mysterious seemingly unanswerable question "why or why not me?" may be somewhat superfluous. This fact remains-something has happened for some seemingly unexplained reason, or purely by chance. So the question I ask is "now that this HAS happened, what do I do with it?"

~~~First, let me say I know this is a controversial subject. Some will agree and some will not. Some will not even come to this site in fear or "knowledge" that simply coming here is giving permission to allow this disease to inhabit them.

~~~Making willful choices is our willful choice. Free will. Some would even argue this. Do we really have free will and is it always useful or correct or even really possible?

~~~I "choose" to look at it from only my point of view. I can't know yours.

~~~Perhaps a free will is not all it is cracked up to be. I mean how do we know that our free choices are the best choices just because they are free and ours to make and "I" made them? And who am I? The final authority?

~~~How do we know that by choosing to turn our back on something may be turning our back on a good thing?

~~~I understand that as humans we would like our lives to be pain free. Free from difficulty. Free from suffering. Happy and full of joy. Is this a dream or a reality? Is this even possible? Just what is the recipe?

"Hi Mitchell,

"Just wanted to send you a quick message to say thank you for keeping an eye on me and helping me to snap out of it. I'm still feeling like crap, and I'm still worried as all hell, but I'm back to being determined to get better, rather than wanting to give up.

"I'm in a lot of pain this week. Still getting the sharp pains in my chest, but it's not as bad as yesterday, and I just don't want to go to the ER and have them stress me out more and tell me nothing I don't already know.

"So, unless I get worse, I'm just going to stick it out and see what happens. I figure if it's getting better, it's getting better, right?

"I sincerely appreciate your presence here. It means a lot to me to have the support and just to know someone else understands what I'm going through.

"How are YOU doing these days?

Big hugs,

Dancingwinde"

~~~Thank you Dancingwinde,

~~~I know how badly you want to get better. Me too. And I know how important it is to be positive so please don't take what I am about to say as a negative but rather a different look at reality to perhaps better help you cope.

~~~I have been dealing with this Dis-ease for eleven (update, twelve) years now. My latest experiments are with MMS, for a year now, and in alternating days, frequencies, amounts, and combinations, teasel, samento, venus fly trap, banderol,

~~~smilax, Japanese knotweed/resveratrol, andrographis, (Buhner's Herbs from his book" Healing Lyme")

~~~olive leaf extract, grapefruit seed extract, bromelain, systemic enzymes such as nattokinase, and witched to lumbrokinase, vits, mins, supps, baking soda, and of course as always a superior diet and proper rest. And for several months now 100mg a day or every 2nd, 3rd, or 4th day of minocycline.

~~~However, (update) now, including MMS at five drops properly prepared several times a day and also ten drops properly prepared and administered through my skin and directly into my bloodstream with DMSO, Google it.

~~~I am doing Minocycline, Azithromycin, and Rifampin every day. Rocephin IM, (breaking), Atomidine (hoping to replace Armour Thyroid), HBOT (hyperbaric oxygen treatments, 75 dives and taking a break), Myers Cocktail IV plus glutathione (vits, mins, + glutathione) twice a week for several months(breaking), Byron White's A-Bart and A-L (pulsing and ramping up), vitamins, minerals and supplements, coloidal silver, meditation, prayer post thread, yada yada ...

~~~And “thinking,” and "not thinking."

~~~My exercise consists of getting out of bed and going up and down the steps once a day or every other day (not any more) as sometimes I sleep downstairs (always now) as I am too weak to get back upstairs, and (anything and everything) with EXTREME difficulty. I pee in a bottle, get wheelchaired to that other room to do the other and have someone pull my drawers up and buckle them for me. In disbelief, I laugh every time.

~~~And when I am (was) very fortunate I make it into my business (which I love) several times a month. (I am now completely house bound). I can't shop, do chores, laundry, change my bed or clothes, or take showers (only sponge bathes). Luckily I can feed myself but with difficulty (and only when my meals are prepared for me). My daughter washes and cuts my hair, soakes my feet in hot water, baking soda and Epsom salt, and changes my clothes. I laugh at this too.

~~~I tell you these things not to elicit sympathy but to express the reality of my situation. In reality I am tickled to do even the little things (not many) I can manage.

~~~I am happy not to be (permanently) completely paralyzed (although often I do experience temporary paralysis). That is the bright side to my situation.

~~~Of course if I were completely paralyzed (and now, often, not too far from it), as I experienced recently with my appendicitis and appendectomy, and several months ago when I rolled out of bed and onto the floor and paralyzed, peed myself (more than once now!), I would have to find the bright side there too. As the Monty Python song goes "always look at the bright side of life," (whistle it).

~~~Update - Now I spend 24/7/365 sitting, and sleeping sitting, on my kitchen short couch (and now have graduated to an electric recliner) as I cannot lie down as I am too weak to rise from that position to pee in my bottle or anything else I need to do sitting, except when I am occasionally wheel chaired to medical centers.

~~~So here goes. When you experience a moment when you think you have made a turnaround towards healing, only get cautiously optimistic or cautiously excited. With this disease there are many calms before a storm.

~~~In the calm we allow ourselves to think "finally a turnaround" only to be disappointed by the next storm. Perhaps one day there will be "the" turnaround. Meanwhile ...

~~~There are many who will view this as negative thinking. My response to them is "try this." They have not been faced with a "negative" chronic persistent reality that will not go away with "proper" thinking and therefore think they have a "proper" hold on reality. I wonder. I do not know. I only know MY situation.

~~~However, my position is that I am learning priceless lessons about life, in my present reality, with this dis-ease, that otherwise I may not have. This is a gift to me. A very difficult gift. I except, (often kicking and screaming, metaphorically speaking of course, I'm too weak to actually kick and scream! Would if I could!)

~~~Now, you may not remain with this "challenge" as long as some. I hope this will be true. And you may be dealing with this for a very long time. Only time will tell.

~~~In the meantime, I feel it is of vital importance to learn whatever lessons that this challenge will provide. To see this dis-ease as a Positive Negative. But you must be willing to "see" through this deep fog. To Get Better Before Getting Better.

~~~Acceptance is one valuable lesson. Acceptance of things we cannot change. But out of this acceptance there will be lilies that bloom from this fertile poo. Jewels. This is the positive side of this dark reality. The gift of dis-ease. This Bless-ed Curse. The gift of suffering.

~~~"Simply" open your "third eye," and see.

~~~So, those who only see the negative in my predicament fail to see the new Jewels. The blessing in this curse. I wonder who is the negative thinker? No judgment here. I do not know. I only know of my personal experience.

~~~I have grown, evolved, expanded, contracted, gained some wisdom. I am grateful. Here I have found some joy within this "pit of despair."

~~~So as your "Tea Kettle" (your challenges, and another story) whistles for you, don't get discouraged, get to work. Expand, contract, evolve, grow your lilies out of this swamp. This very difficult, Golden Swamp. (I have read over a hundred books from the "Masters", pondered the universe, and my naval, meditated, prayed - just in case "anything" is listening.

~~~Perhaps this is what is meant by, some have said, "You are perfect as you are, life is perfect as it is, and you could use a little improvement."

~~~So, when the Kettle Whistles, get busy.

```````~~~From my straight jacket~~~out on a limb~~~lookin like a cocoon~~~hangin by a Golden Thread~~~waitin for a butterfly~~~under the moon~~~laughin at life from this "pit of despair", Lovey Dovey,Mitchell~~~

~~ "The way to 'Heaven' is to bring it with you ..." -Mitchell
~~ "Sometimes, we gotta go through hell to get to 'Heaven'" -Mitchell
~~ "The way out is in" -Mitchell
~~ "A miracle speaks ...'I don't believe in Miracles.' " -Mitchell
~~ "Life is good, even when it isn't." -Mitchell
~~ "Sometimes you gotta lose to win." -Mitchell
~~ "It's easy when it's easy! Find reason, purpose and meaning when it's hard!" -Mitchell
~~ "If you're gonna think, think again!" -Mitchell
~~ "Make it so!" ...
~~ “When life do what it do, as it do-do, simply say ‘Of Course!’ (to soften life’s ‘blows’)” - Mitchell
~~ A master once said, "When embarking on the spiritual path, 'Oh Dear! There's no turning back! You've really done it now!' "
~~ “Not thoughts be your guide, rather, guide your thoughts.” -Mitchell
~~ "That which is within, and that energy entering this body/mind/spirit, causing harm and ill health, must and will be transformed into love healing energy and sent out in every direction" -Mitchell
~~ One morning ten years ago I awoke from a dream chanting over again and again, and writing this down so as not to forget ... "It doesn't matter who did what, there's nowhere else to go but up ..." -Mitchell
~~ "This life, our life, and what we do with it on this planet is “simply” a display, a reflection, of what is going on in our consciousness. The proof is in the puddin’. Look at our planet, what humans are doing to it, and with it, and to one another, and ask yourself ... ~ 'How’s this working for us/me?' ” -Mitchell
~~ "Step away from monkey mind, not tangle ... Observe ... Inhabit your higher self ..." -Mitchell
~~ "Anything is possible, but manythings you think are true, are not ... " -Mitchell
~~ "Grow where you are planted ..." -Mitchell
~~ "Change your future now ..." -Mitchell
~~ “Write your equation … 4 u r the sum of u … “ -Mitchell
~~ “We are largely a product of our environments … how’s your inner environment doing? …” -Mitchell
~~ “We reveal ourselves to ourselves in everything we do … life is our mirror … howdoyoudo? …” –Mitchell
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