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12/15/2008 05:06 AM

Worms may be a Big Part of Lyme Suffering?(page 3)

mem6757

Whoops i forgot to add the Link Shocked

http://www.lymephotos.com/

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12/15/2008 09:32 AM
pammie
 
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Anything herbal for it? You're scaring me.

12/15/2008 09:57 AM
Smiffy
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Dr Hulda Clark & lots of other herbalists sell mixtures that contain Black Walnut Hulls (from the black walnut tree)

Wormwood (from the Artemisia shrub)

& Common Cloves (from the clove tree)

I don't know if they work, I guess they need taking every few weeks. I took three Ivermectin at first for the cryptostrongylus pulmoni and now take one every four weeks, with the only side effect being a tummy upset.


12/15/2008 10:48 AM
pammie
 
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Thanks Smiffy.

12/15/2008 10:54 AM
mem6757

Smiffy can you tell us more about lung worms? Does it cause the symptom air hunger? There are many members that say they have that symptom and it must be very scary maybe abx for those micro worms would help them too? Thanks Smile

12/16/2008 07:26 AM
Smiffy
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Antibiotics do not kill worms.

http://www.morgellons-uk.net/?p=322

http://www.anapsid.org/cnd/diffdx/klapow2.html

http://www.anapsid.org/cnd/diffdx/klapow.html

http://www.morgellons-disease-research.com/Morgellons- Message-Board/parasites/3642-cryptostrongylus-pulmoni-new- kind-nematode.html

http://www.toxicworm.com/page5.html

Not much is known about them. They are thought to have evolved from nematodes infecting Asian tree shrews and possibly to have been spread in the 1960s by e.g. the Vietnam etc wars. it is possible the native population protect themselves with the spices they eat, plus of course we in the western world have forgotten about parasites & do not regularly deworm ourselves as our ancestors used to. Our doctors have forgotten how to use microscopes. The worms are found in organic matter.

From what I have read about lung worms in goats, they live in the gut as adults & the larvae drill throught he gut walls, enter the blood stream then the lungs & are coughed up & either swallowed or coughed onto vegetation that other animals might eat (are you feeling sick yet?).

Mine were found, not in sputum but

by live blood microscopy using a very powerful dark field microscope. The doctor who does this works constantly under threat of suspension by our General Medical Council. he is finding borrelia, chlamydia pneumonia and/or cryptostrongylus pulmoni in over 90% of the M.E./CFS patients he tests. he does not test for symbiotic viruses (I understand these are much smaller than bacteria or parasites).His results are not accepted by our national health Service and I am having to pay full costs for treatment.

Since taking Ivermectin I have tested clear of these, but not of borrelia or micrococci.My breathlessness, heart palpitations and some joint and muscle pain have gone. I have a weird new symptom though (another one my family doctor isn't interested in), I now cough up frothy white foam from my lungs constantly & wonder if it's my lungs 'cleaning themselves' after the infection.

Post edited by: Smiffy, at: 12/16/2008 07:27


12/16/2008 07:58 AM
cmany
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Smiffy...

Great info - sounds like you have a doc who needs to be protected at all costs! God that just burns me up - threatening a doc who is actually doing his job and doing some good! Whoo - dont get me started!!

Yet another reason I suggest the bio-feedback testing -it is invasive and can find this stuff too...and generally more affordable...


12/16/2008 08:05 AM
cmany
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Shortangle...

You wanted some stuff on other insects being able to carry and infect...

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Oasis/6455/insects- links.html#more

This has links to links - and abstracts - but yes, there have been studies here and in europe - that find that other insects can transmit the disease as well...

Christine


12/16/2008 08:20 AM
Smiffy
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This is what my Lyme doctor wrote to his ME/CFS patients last year:

Firstly, there is a degree of unbalancing the immune system. Certain organisms have a tendancy to do this and these include the herpes viruses. Many of us will have these which include cold sores, chickenpox, glandular fever and herpes virus 6 and 7. Also the respiratory Chlamydia pneumoniae bacteria seems to be very important and this, along with stress of any sort, causes difficulties within the immune system and enables other organisms to take hold. Many of these we may be carrying from birth or catch through vectors, such as insect bites, tick bites or simply ingestion or inhalation. These include Borrelia genus, which they feel is probably caught, in the majority of cases, in its dormant cystic form but reactivates with the immune imbalance. Also a bacteria group called Actinomyces and, most interestingly, Microfilarial worms. The latter are microscopic worms, which tend to block off the lymphatic system. This is essential for immune function as most of the body's defense activity takes place within this system. It also is the body's waste disposal system in that it deals with all the toxins produced either from normal physiology of the cells or from infection or toxic overload. With the lymphatics unable to work people generally feel awful. This mirrors the work of Dr Raymond Perrin, the Osteopath in Prestwich, who finds that lymphatic massage, where you simply physically move the lymph, can help tremendously. Also the microfilarial worms cause problems within the blood micro-circulations. This is the blood flow in the tiny capillaries, which particularly impairs the nervous system and will aggravate many neurological symptoms and signs with problems of memory, concentration and nerve function.


12/16/2008 08:43 AM
cave76

cmany,

A fact that's not too well known here, probably----- the man who compiled all those links (Art Doherty) years ago became 'cured' 'in remission' after long term abx (I believe it was high dose amoxycillin for him) and went on to continue his love of marathon racing.

Unfortunately, no one stepped up to keep those links 'alive' in his absence. But there are still many still available.

Thanks to Art and his terrific work.

The last I checked---- he's still in remission. GO ART! Smile

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