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05/24/2007 21:07
erleichda
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I kind of asked this question once before, but I wasn't specific enough so I would like to try again.

I have three types of neuropathy. Does borrelia burgdorferi (Lyme) cause neuropathy, or is it a coinfection? Both?

In an earlier post, I referred to the neuropathy as "neurological problems." I don't know if it makes a difference.

Does anyone else out there have neuropathy? It's a horrible thing and from what I understand, this will never improve - it will only get worse because once the nerves die, they stay dead.

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05/27/2007 16:51
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Oh god, it never gets better???? aaahhhh!!!! I'm with you again on this one... so much pain in my nerves. just great. That's one of my biggest symptoms and it will never get better.

I did hear taking magnesium helps...I think it does...a little.

and someone told me about neurotonin (sp) med for nerve pain...she said it helps

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05/30/2007 20:24
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Neurontin is great for some of the pain. I'm on a very large dose now and it really does help with what I can "adrenaline pain." For example, if something startles me, I will get this stinging pain all over my body. That's gone now. It also helps with the intensity of the burning pain. It does not help with the numbness, tingling and I can still feel some burning but not really bad.

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05/30/2007 20:26
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I was also told that methylcobolamin (B12) injections can regenerate the nerves.
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05/31/2007 03:32
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Does the Neurontin make you sleepy? Have you tried lyrica? I have been considering both of those.

I've now had a headache for 2 months. Every single day!! It's really starting to get to me....like chinese water torchure, you know....it's never been too bad, like a migrane,....but always just there....well, last night....didn't sleep at all, went migrane I think...felt like I was going to be sick. Of course I was just at the docs yesterday....he gave me medrin or something like that....it's one of those....take 2 pills at onset, then 1 pill every hour until it goes away (basically they are telling you, "this doesn't work") lol. My hubby has to go see him today, so I am going to send a note with him telling him I will try that imitrex again (didn't like it before, but I can't do another night like last night) and hopefully he'll send home samples with hubby.... I know back in the day a doctor could be a doctor and do something like that...but these days the dea has their noses in everything, so who knows....probably have to go pay another copay and waste another hour of my time...

I had 14 tubes of blood drawn yesterday for my LLMD....so we are underway!

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06/03/2007 12:44
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The Neurontin doesn't make me sleepy, luckily. That's great about the LLMD - sounds about right! With the headache, medrin didn't work for me. I use Zomig for migraines and that might work for you - for me, it's better than Imitrex. I also used the nasal spray one (I can't remember the name), but it was too expensive to continue. I had to pay the max copay and only got 2 uses out of it. Sorry I didn't get back to you earlier so that you could request Zomig. It's worth trying.

With headaches, I take Aleve with some Tums, and if that doesn't handle it, I take the Zomig.

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06/03/2007 12:54
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well, now on top of the headaches, I have been having air hunger, something fierce...like I've never had before. It's constant. I feel like I am slowly suffocating. I know my O2 level has to be low at times, because my body starts to get tingly. I'm really starting to get scared. I can't really say anything to my regular doc, since it's lyme related, and he doesn't believe it....so I am trying to make it to the 27th when I see me LLMD. I do go see my endocrynologist this week, so I will bring it up to him, he's pretty open minded...just in case I am really slowly dying here...there's so much more going on Lori, PM me again with your email address, don't want to post my dirty laundry

Hope you are feeling good....or as good as we can.

gentle hugs,

jaime

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06/07/2007 19:13
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Just wanted to let everyone know that Stanford University Hospital has opened up a Lyme Disease clinic and they take insurance. Contact me for more information.
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06/12/2007 20:45
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Jaime,

Headaches and air hunger are classic signs of babesia, a tick-borne co-infection. It's very common and also very debilitating. LLMD's normally treat it with Zithromax and mepron. Normal abx doesn't really hit it but they give it along with mepron to avoid the babesia building tolerance to the mepron. Mepron is expensive and looks and tastes like yellow paint but is very effective. Some folks don't tolerate mepron well so they may use malarone, plaquenil, flagyl and other meds.

You cannot get over lyme until the co-infections are eradicated first. There's many supplements that LLMD's have found helpful for babs. The most common is artemisinin which is used worldwide for malaria which is protozoan in nature like babs. LLMD's recommend that ART be used in combination with abx as well. Neem oil seems to have anti-protozoal qualities. Allicin based garlic supplements like Allimax or Allicidin have been found very benfeficial for babs, lyme, bartonella, erlichia and a whole host of viruses, yeasts and bacterial infections.

Expect some major herxing when starting babs treatment and probably through the entire course. I nearly eliminated my son's babesia with artemisinin and a prescribed abx from our LLMD. We've introduced plaquenil to knock it out completely. It's been my experience that babs symptoms are generally worse than lyme and people feel much better once it's eradicated.

I would contact your LLMD immediately as you do not want babs to spiral as it is extremely painful and debilitating. Clear it with your LLMD but you may want to order your artemisinin sooner, rather than later. We use www.allergyresearchgroup.com brand.

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06/13/2007 05:43
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wow, thank you for your great info! I will print that out, and look into it.

I'm sure my bab's/lyme, and everything else is already "out of control".... I have had this for 20 years! Have dx of fibro and MCTD.... never believed in it, always felt there was something more going on...

Came across some lyme info, and I had never thought about it, but 20 years ago I had 2 ticks embedded in my back.... so I wasted no time, got a LLMD, and go at the end of the month. (I have all but a few of the symptoms on the checklist)

Unfortunatly, before we got this figured out, I had 12 facet injections, for pain.... yes, steroids.... little did I know, that in my act of desperation, (I rushed to get it done, we were driving 20 hours to florida for vacation, and I knew there would be no way I could handle that....my pain levels are steady at a 6 or 7....ON MEDS! yeah, not a happy camper), at that time, I didn't know that was the last thing I wanted to do to my body.... since then, things have gone down quickly. I'm scared.

I do have some plaquinil, it was prescribed to me for docs thinking I have lupus.... I never took it faithfully because I always knew in my heart it wasn't lupus....and that med scared me. SO maybe I will start taking it again, and it might help to kill the babs.

THank you again, I do appreciate it. This has been so overwhelming.

You said, your son had babs? How old is he? That is my biggest fear right now , is that I probably passed this on to my kids....ages 5 and 4. I wouldn't wish how I feel on my worst enemy, certainly not my own kids.

Like I said, I believe I have had this for 20 years, so pretty much every part of my body has been affected. So hopefully if we catch it in time for the kids, they will be alright.

Please do not take anything I say as medical advice. I am not a doctor.

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