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VicMac Posts: 1648
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I just went on a site selling ABart to see what all is in it. And I want to note to anybody interested in taking it, that it contains Pokeroot, which is a heavy duty lymphatic cleanser that MUST be taken in minute amounts! I tried taking Pokeroot last year, just a few drops, and it overloaded my kidneys to where I was in quite a bit of pain. It can cause kidney damage. Stephen Buhner mentions Pokeroot in his book Healing Lyme book, and advises there to be careful with it, as it can poisonous in too large an amount, and damaging to the kidneys. For that reason, he suggests not taking Pokeroot, but Red root instead to clean the lymphatics. Anyone taking ABart should be cautious about not taking too much at first, or the Pokeroot alone can do harm to the kidneys! Here is a marketer of ABart who lists the ingredients in both ABart and Ababs. http://www.bioresourceinc.com/bwherbal/ Have a blessed day all! Post edited by: VicMac, at: 02/05/2011 10:26 AM I wish I had solutions for everybody here who is suffering, but I am still hunting for them myself and seem to be more of a student on this board than a teacher. All I have to offer is my experience, support, and prayers based on what I have learned in my recovery. I am not a physician.
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RL123 Posts: 226
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Thanks for sharing that, I always over do everything! Planning on starting A Bart and A Babs this week. You saved me from myself! Probably would have started on 4 drops or something! Lol |
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hopesalive Posts: 1129
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Vicki, this is what is so great about this forum. Thanks for sharing so others can learn from your experience. See? You already helped one person by posting one important bit of information. I believe this also stresses the importance of researching our "naturals." Being fully informed before we pop the next "thing" into our mouth, whether or not it is a "natural" or not. However, I think it is more likely that people do this with the so called "naturals" because of the very nature of the name. If it is "natural" it must be okay to take. Keeping a list of all we put into our bodies is important, too. And making sure the interactions of whatever do not cause more harm than good. Best Wishes,
Hope :)
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies."
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VicMac Posts: 1648
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Hope I think you are right, in that it is important to know what is in things before just popping them in. I have to read all the labels on things, because I have become really aware of all sorts of additives and fillers that produce symptoms in me that are not Lyme related. If I am not aware they are there, I might blame the Lyme. And then again, it could be the Lyme, Bart, whatever, that is causing me to be reactive to those things. Who knows what creates these sensitivities in the first place? Maltodextrin is one thing added to pills alot. I cant take that. Also potato starch, Xylitol, rice flour, soy, lactose, whey, etc. As far as this ABart, if I decide to use it, it will have to be very slow, because of that Pokeroot. So again, please be cautious people! And if you notice any lower aching back pains while on it - remember it could be your kidneys possibly feeling the strain ( don't just automatically assume it is a Lyme lower back pain symptom ) Again, this pokeroot is VERY strong stuff! I found out for myself!!! Post edited by: VicMac, at: 02/06/2011 09:35 AM Post edited by: VicMac, at: 02/06/2011 09:36 AM I wish I had solutions for everybody here who is suffering, but I am still hunting for them myself and seem to be more of a student on this board than a teacher. All I have to offer is my experience, support, and prayers based on what I have learned in my recovery. I am not a physician. |
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inkyblck  Posts: 446
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Here's a bit from herbalist / author Susan Weed ( sorry, I fully realize that this is serious stuff, but with a name like "Susan Weed" , how can you not smirk ??? )  Poke (Phytolacca americana) The tincture of this root is so powerful some authors consider it poisonous. You may have a hard time finding it for sale. But poke is an important helper when flu "bugs" have taken over. I would not take poke as a preventative; it is far too strong. I use poke root tincture to kick my immune system into high gear. The dose is one drop - yes, only one drop - once or twice a day for no more than a month, although in serious cases I may use up to 8 doses a day. Poke root tincture can harm the kidneys if it is taken continuously. I never take capsules of poke root. Keep in mind that poke root is one of nine herbal ingredients, and that it will react differently when taken in combination with these other herbs than it would alone ... ... Post edited by: inkyblck, at: 02/11/2011 10:13 PM I am NOT a "lymie" ~ I loathe that term ... I will not be defined by the vile bacteria that will very soon be out of my system ~ If you consider yourself a "lymie" right now, what will you have left when you rid yourself of the bacteria ~ nothing ??? ... Don't be a "lymie", be YOURSELF and fight it ...
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And by the torrent on the banks thereof on both sides shall grow all trees that bear fruit: their leaf shall not fall off, and their fruit shall not fail: every month shall they bring forth firstfruits, because the waters thereof shall issue out of the sanctuary:and the fruits thereof shall be for food, and the leaves thereof for medicine. ~ Ezekiel 47:12 |
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inkyblck Posts: 446
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... and another observation on the Byron White herbals ~ The "A-L" for targeting lyme has artemisia as an ingredient, however, the "A-BAB" for babesia does NOT contain artemisia ... The effect of these formulas lie in the way the herbs work together ~ so in the case w/ poke root, it must be taken in the context of the entire group ... I am NOT a "lymie" ~ I loathe that term ... I will not be defined by the vile bacteria that will very soon be out of my system ~ If you consider yourself a "lymie" right now, what will you have left when you rid yourself of the bacteria ~ nothing ??? ... Don't be a "lymie", be YOURSELF and fight it ...
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And by the torrent on the banks thereof on both sides shall grow all trees that bear fruit: their leaf shall not fall off, and their fruit shall not fail: every month shall they bring forth firstfruits, because the waters thereof shall issue out of the sanctuary:and the fruits thereof shall be for food, and the leaves thereof for medicine. ~ Ezekiel 47:12 |
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VicMac Posts: 1648
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Inky, Thanks so much for adding this info to the thread. Says what Stephen Buhner basically said about poke. The stuff really did hurt my kidneys, and even if mixed with other things, I would be very careful. My kidneys have not been working right since. I wish I had solutions for everybody here who is suffering, but I am still hunting for them myself and seem to be more of a student on this board than a teacher. All I have to offer is my experience, support, and prayers based on what I have learned in my recovery. I am not a physician. |
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inkyblck Posts: 446
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Vicki, thanks for this info ~ Ya know, you and a few others here are really spoiling me as far as information goes ~ In all seriousness, I have learned more here than from the 4 MDs I've seen ... I am NOT a "lymie" ~ I loathe that term ... I will not be defined by the vile bacteria that will very soon be out of my system ~ If you consider yourself a "lymie" right now, what will you have left when you rid yourself of the bacteria ~ nothing ??? ... Don't be a "lymie", be YOURSELF and fight it ...
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VicMac Posts: 1648
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I am with you on that Inky! Didnt learn much of diddly squat from most docs, but here have gained a wealth of info from all you bright people! I have been at this herbal thing for really almost a good thirty years ( when you combine all my illnesses together ), and have definately found them to have their goods as well as bads. And I do need to say that. Herbals do one thing that prescription drugs mostly do not. They target all kinds of things at once. Which can be good and not so good. I have noticed that sometimes I take something for one thing, and then another thing is affected in a way I am not happy with. Many herbs are also good for lowering blood sugar for example. But if you have hypoglycemia, these herbs will only worsen that. If you are diabetic, you will benefit from it. Other herbs will raise or lower blood pressure. I already have low blood pressure, so dont want to make it go any lower. So I have to really research herbs to see what all the things are that they affect. Post edited by: VicMac, at: 02/12/2011 08:43 AM I wish I had solutions for everybody here who is suffering, but I am still hunting for them myself and seem to be more of a student on this board than a teacher. All I have to offer is my experience, support, and prayers based on what I have learned in my recovery. I am not a physician. |
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