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I searched and didn't find much on a-bab or at least the question I have about it.

My doctor believes the reason I can't get over the Lyme is because I have babesia I have all the symptoms but tests came up negative.

He said that the A -Bab (byron white formula) would help solidify his diagnosis. He said if I was not sick I would have no reaction.

Well I did have a reaction. I can't seem to get past 1 drop. It feels like my head is going to explode. That's my larget complaint. The stabbing pains which I had been getting in the past really intensified.

Has anyone else taken this? I'm not sure if this is a normal herx reaction or a closer to allergic reaction. I'm nervous because these are more than a little headache they progress to full blow migraines where I can barely walk.

The HH did what you said the A-bab did to you, we switched to A-bart...not as bad..

There is a product bab-1 Bar-1 and Bb-1 that might be more less intence?

I took a Lyme tea...made with five of the herbs..because my Bart was so bad in my head...it would cause me to become blind in one eye for a minute or so.

As I have used other things to help with the Bart...I went back to the tea...just once in a blue moon...just to stir things up...see if I am missin' anything..

So far, no eye or head issues that where as bad as in the past...

So I am in hope...the different things are "git'in"

it..

Good luck to you

wlkthlne

Your symptoms seem to go more that route..do you have any issues with your feet?

Could you have Babs and Bart? If you do have Bart..you may have to get treated for that first...then the Babs?

Nothing is Cut and Dry with this crap...sorry...

What is your take on all this?

The Doxy/Rif combo..really ...really helped with my Bart eye symptoms!!! and now...finally the head pressure is getting much better..

My best to ya!

wlkthlne

Ever since I started this treatment I feel so oxygen deprived again too. My only concern is that one of the herbs comes from a relative of a class of plant that i'm allergic too. That's why i'm afraid the reaction I'm having could be a slight allergic reaction.

As for what the heck you treat first?????I would go with an LLMD...they(you would think) see and deal with this a whole lot.

Whew, you do have issues of concern and to address..

When I say I am sorry..what really goes through me is anger..not at you...this dane' Disease!

Grrrrrrrraahhhhhhhhh!

May you get this under some control so you can fight all the demons....and get BETTER!

wlkthlne

One symptom I have that drives me crazy that i've only seen mentioned here a few times is that I get these really strange pains on my scalp. It feels like my hair hurts. So I can never style my hair or else i'll be in pain until I wash it.

But WTL is right also, that your symptoms sound like Bart too. ( I am no doc either! ) But I hope you can find something that helps you with all of this.

ABab is another to put on my list. I think I have both Babs and Bart, and have been holding back the Babs with Artemisinin, that I have been taking for too long. I think my poor kidneys are getting weak.

But when I try to go off, some more really unpleasant head symtpoms come back.

But the more I hear about ABart And ABabs, this seems like a good way to go. I know what you mean about the strong reaction though. It is hard to tell if it is a herx or allergic reaction.

I have a question for you and everyone else about your foot pain. if you press into the bottom of your feet ( not real hard ), is it really painful then? It doesn't hurt me there, unless I do that.

And can you have terrible burning on the bottom of your feet too, that makes it hard to walk?

Cake I hope you get better, and keep us up on how you are progressing.

Then it's writing on the wall..You got Bart! sadly to say...

You guys got me looking some more, I could have swore that Bart needs to be treated! If not first..but along with everything else..

Not tring to quesion an LLMD here..but noticed they all have different views..Remember they are right along with us trying to treat something that is so off the page..

There is no Asprin fix here...for sure not cut and dry...

read this link! I never heard of these treatments for Bart..and what was written that Bart should be treated first....Umm..from what I am seein' the LLMD's are 50/50 on this..

perhaps it's what is effecting us the worst? That needs attention..well anyway..it's an open Book...

http://goodbyelyme.com/free-articles/coinfections/busting- bartonella

Good reading folks!

wlkthlne

Terrific article you contributed here!!! It explains a whole lot! And I never knew that Artemisia was also good for Bart!! Thats a first!

I have been taking the stuff for a year and half almost now, and have noticed that it has by far been the best natural I have taken for my head symptoms.

But, I have assumed it was only holding back Babesia!

Maybe this is more proof I have Bart??!!

I am trying to go off it again now, to give my kidneys a rest, and I have been feeling the return of some symptoms, including the burning pains on the insides of my arms and legs ( which your article describes also. )Very helpful.

Just to note: When I get the burning pains on the insides of my arms and legs, they always seem to parallel the lymph swelling that goes on in those regions too. There must be a connection.

I am having this now, since going off the Artemisia.

I really depend on that herb for these Bart symptoms! ( Or was that Bart Simpson? LOL ) Oh well.

Cake, you are right in that parts of the puzzle can be missing, and probably is when our treatment does not seem effective. Coinfections are to blame!

What I really want to find out, not just for my sake but all of ours on here -

is how damaging these herbs are to our liver and kidneys. The liver can regenerate itself, but the kidneys are harder to do that with.

I am worried about kidney damage, and also dont want to be careful suggesting these herbs to people if it definately causes that.

WTL, you are a gem in what you and some of the other Bart experts on here have educated us on!

Thanks for the cheese! And here's a big one for you today!!!