We must be VIGILANT, but not paranoid. We must be willing to "call a spade a spade", so to speak: regardless of whether of not that "spade" is an LLMD. The TRUTH will set you free. Blind "protection" of LLMDs only serves to fuel the non existant flames of this "controversy" and allows CHARLATANS to happily continue in their successful efforts to separate us from our money.

p.s. The physician in question also sells the herbs she prescribes, and is in the practice of prescribing "raindrop therapy". It is a dangerous place out there for Lyme sufferers. Charlatans calling themselves "LLMDs" tarnish the reputations of the legitimate practitioners who fight every day to get us the REAL treatments we so desperately need.

I have had this type of muscle testing done by a chiro a couple years ago. found it very accurate and interesting. it is not a con. have you researched this at all?

i'm not going to get into point counter point here. you have a valid point, there are a lot of people being taken advantage of out there. But what works for one may not work for another. Just as I know several people whom abx haven't worked for, and they did supplements of sorts and have been well. I also know people for whom the opposite is true.

I don't agree with a doctor insisting that someone takes the products they sell....but I do believe that there is much we don't know or understand about this disease, and there are many different avenues to pursue. and it does not hurt to have an open mind. not to be ignorant to things but to have an open mind. everyone needs to do thier own research, even when thier docs tell them something, and make up thier minds for themselves.

I, too, agree that antibiotics are not effective for everyone. I, too, agree that there is great merit in keeping an open mind. We must be careful to refuse to be taken in by nonsense in the name of that "open mindedness", however. It is a fine line, but an important one.

Very interesting thread !! (I have to say that the Lyme conversations are almost always more interesting than the one we have in other groups – but don’t tell anyone :: )

jaime1978 my friend, I have to agree with you (as a general rule in my life) it does not hurt to have an open mind when you are dealing with ANYTHING.

StrictlyTopSecret welcome to our community – happy to have you. I think you are right about the importance of being careful when "open mindedness" is needed, but its also important to let some bad experiences fade away and give room for new ones.

Keep up these interesting conversations.

Roy

Frighteningly, when I brought up this issue on two well-known Lyme forums, I was ushered out in a hurry (after being verbally "attacked" by a number of members). In their zeal to "protect" (and I do believe that these folks genuinely believe that LLMDs are in need of protection), they felt compelled to use censor opinions with which they did not agree. For good or ill, the "powers that be" on various Lyme forums are frequently the same folks from forum to forum, and use the same tactics to silence others. They even went to far as to falsely accuse me of a number of things. On one forum, for example, the daughter of the family to whom the site was dedicated also saw the physician whose methods I was challenging ...you can imagine how that went over. LOL! I was accused of everything from "not having Lyme" to "being an IDSA plant".

At any rate, I appreciate the fact that the "powers that be" on this forum shun the idea of censorship. Although it is most assuredly within the rights of any owner of a private forum owner to do so, it certainly does NOT contribute to an atmosphere of open discussion. Rather, it perpetuates paranoia and a metaphorically "incestuous" group dynamics.

Freedom of speech and unrestricted access to information are fundamental rights - we abide by that.

We also like to think of ourselves as an open-minded team, therefore creating an open-minded place came only naturally.

We're doing our best, and we're growing. I'm glad you enjoy yourselves here. It's your space as well, and I'm so happy to see you're making the best of it.