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05/09/2007 01:54
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I've noticed that Lyme discussion boards and online organizations avoid posting coordinates of LLMDs publicly. All is done somewhat whispering and shooshing and, as much as I try, research, and think about it, I can't understand why.

What I did understand is that Lyme disease is not considered an ongoing infectious disease by the IDSA and that treating it as a long-term, chronic disease is against their guidelines. So, OK, it's a medical controversy, there are so many others... but prosecuting doctors for prescribing antibiotics?!?!?!?

Something doesn't fall into place, something doesn't make sense, there has to be more to this that I don't get, or don't know.

First of all, why would any medical organization deny the chronicity of Lyme? That would make us all crazy. But beyond that, how can a physician be held accountable for medical misconduct when his treatment actually cures the disease? Is it because the prolonged use of antibiotics (with no actual reason, like they say) can cause social and individual harm? Social, since the microorganisms become antibiotic-resistant, and individual, because of the adverse reactions (fungal infections, liver damage etc.)? I'm just speculating here, didn't see any official explanation - or non-official, for that matter, just an explanation, a rationalization, something...!

What were the charges against Drs. Jones and Jemsek, on what grounds were the prosecuted, officially?

Is it also the insurance companies, that don't really like long-term diseases? Or this is already part of the conspiracy theory?

I'd like to know WHY I can't find a doctor that can treat my mom, and why I have to ask about it privately? Advertisement is good for doctors, it's wonderful when they get word-of-mouth... WHY NOT IN THIS CASE?

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05/09/2007 05:49
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I'm with you on this one....I am totally confused about all of this myself. I know in my heart I have lyme...chronic lyme...20 years infected! I don't even know where to start.
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05/09/2007 08:46
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This might help explain. It's from the Case Overview, www.defendlymedoctors.com: "In most respects, the ... is like many other cases brought by medical boards against physicians who diagnose and treat Lyme disease differently from the guidelines of the Infectious Disease Society of America (IDSA). There are, in fact, two schools of thought on how to treat Lyme disease; one promulgated by the IDSA and the other followed by members of the International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society (ILADS) . When a medical board action is initiated, typically by a complaint which may be filed by an insurer, a patient, or another doctor, it is referred out for initial review by an expert in the disease.

Where there are two standards of care, this initial review should be by someone who is familiar with both standards. Otherwise, the reviewer simply pulls the IDSA guidelines and says that the case is not in compliance with those guidelines. The critical point, however, is that the patient having been properly informed, selects the treatment approach that he or she wants to follow. Some states understand this, New Jersey and California, for instance. Other states like New York have taken officially advised their medical boards to not pursue actions against physicians who treat Lyme disease longer term. Some states have enacted physician protection statutes, like California.

Imagine what would happen if every case brought against a prostate cancer physicians were referred for review to a physician who only believed in watchful waiting? Obviously, surgery is more risky than watchful waiting, but it is the patients' choice that should carry the day here. Imagine what would happen if all cases brought against IDSA doctors were referred to physicians who followed longer term treatment approaches, for example the approaches recommended by ILADS physicians.

Most IDSA doctors (or at least those who follow IDSA protocols) do not treat long term, because the guidelines recommend against it. These physicians are not experienced in treating chronic Lyme disease patients who are effectively shuttled out of the office when the IDSA's short term approach fails. The IDSA is so powerful that it effectively has monopoly power to drive a medical standard of care in this country. The IDSA's Lyme treatment guidelines are put together by a research group that receives an enormous amount of federal grants and promote the results of their own research results heavily in their guidelines. They exclude input from treating physicians and patients as well as their own members who disagree with their agenda. Its recommendations frequently carry enormous weight with medical boards and insurers. This means that cases are frequently and unquestioningly referred to review by physicians who simply pull the IDSA guidelines down off the shelf and note that the patient was not treated in accordance with those guidelines.

What is at stake is patients' right to choose the treatment approach that they prefer based on their own unique situations. Most patients who are using longer term approaches have tried and failed with shorter term approaches. The other right at stake is the patients' access to health care. This has become a crisis for those with Lyme disease, who find it difficult to find a doctor--many travel great distances to obtain health care, some are forced to fly great distances to see a physician who will treat them. Each case that is brought against an LLMD affects that physician and all of the patients that that physician treats (and patients of doctors who consult with them). Even worse, each case has a chilling effect on the willingness of other physicians to treat Lyme disease..."

Lori



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05/11/2007 02:38
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The state of Winsconsin Medical Board is investigating Dr. Hoffmann, MD for his Lyme treatment protocols. He treats according to ILADS guidelines. The state is possibly offering him a chance at avoiding a medical board proceeding if he essentially adheres to IDSA Lyme treatment guidelines. He refused...

This is all so wrong.

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05/11/2007 04:58
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that is so aweful! What a conspiracy ... And the world is flat too....I can't beieve the arrogance.
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06/21/2007 00:15
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in adddition to dr. hoffman's recent charges, missouri's dr. charles crist has received notice too... he has i believe july 12 meeting w/lawyer, etc....NO SPECTATORS ALLOWED.

witch hunting galore going on!

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06/21/2007 04:41
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OMG Betty! This is out of hand! This is why I was so upset with that one lady trying to cause such problems with the doc who did muscle testing.

These docs are up against too much already, we are lucky to have any of them to help us.

there has to be a way to put a stop to this!

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06/21/2007 11:14
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jaime/BOARD MEMBERS,

this is WHY it's important NOT TO TYPE FULL NAMES OF OUR LLMDS ON THIS BOARD!!

there are "spies" from IDSA, etc. that come to our lyme boards just to find out the names and then start to work on filing charges on ANOTHER LLMD of ours; there are more that are being investigated and no charges yet!

it's also important to get DENIED HEALTH INSURANCE CLAIMS "BECAUSE THEY AREN'T FOLLOWING IDSA'S NEW 10-06 LYME GUIDELINES TO:

ATTORNEY GENERAL BLUMENTHAL, CONN.

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jaime, do you have any info on this in your HOME files you could post about this?

i'm getting ready to go to my 2 pm meeting and don't have time to look for this right now.

that's why it's important for ALL LYMIES NATIONWIDE need to be emailing their federal senators/house reps about the HR 741 LYME BILL to get it out of committee and be VOTED ON BY FULL COMMITTTEE THIS YEAR! it took 3 yrs. to get it to where it ended up in "stalled committee" 12-06; not acted on; and we had to START ALL OVER AGAIN! later[size=4][/size][/color]

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06/21/2007 12:33
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hi Betty,

I'm sorry, I don't have any of that info. I do need to do that though.

I agree it's VERY important not to post docs names.

Unfortunatly, so many people don't know this.

I use another site that doesn't have PM's so everything is just on the board!! They don't seem to have their act together, and I don't go there too much, but if I were to see docs names I'd have to say something.

Please do not take anything I say as medical advice. I am not a doctor.

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06/21/2007 21:57
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FROM NAN, LYMENET.ORG....

If anybody has denial letters from doc's/Insurance Co's in getting lyme treated, you can forward them on DIRECTLY TO A.G. BLUMENTHAL'S EMAIL BELOW!!********************************************

I can't tell you how important it is to dig up every letter you can find as they're going right to Attorney General Blumenthal.

I'm sure if he gets lot's of complaints of insurance denial it puts tremendous pressure on insurance co's and the IDSA guidelines themselves.

This is a huge opportunity for the lyme community, the ball is in our court and we need to swing for the fences. -Mike, NP40

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Hartford, Connecticut 06106

email: attorney.general@po.state.ct.us

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