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10/24/2010 04:07 AM
waxby
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````````````Hope````````````

```````from Mitchell```````

~~~Hello Hope,

~~~I awoke at 3 am and the first thing on my mind after the constant reminder realization and reality of my chronic persistent Lyme Dis-ease runaway locomotive impending as yet temporary paralysis' was you.

I'm feeling a little anxious and somewhat guilty about my offered musings to you and the forum.

I even went back and changed the wording on one of my replies to you about "in each breath out- death and each breath in-life, a new birth and isn't that exciting."

And I thought some people must think I am a lunatic.

I even went back and changed the wording to each breath out- goodbye, each breath in- birth so as not to use the word death as this might seem scary, depressing, and even offensive to some.

I understand this as this is much how I first reacted when the masters told me of this thing death.

~~~I am very concerned about you and want so much to be helpful and hand you the key to "success."

Here Hope, is the answer, the pill, for your outcry

"I'm scared, what's happening to me, do I have Lyme or don't I? I'm getting worse."

And I don't have "the" answer, for you.

Nor do I have "the" answer for any of the forum's confused,sick and desperate members.

~~~Everyone comes on forum looking for help, and real, tangible answers to their helpless situations.

And everyone comes back with their "tangible" answers, ideas of what to do to help them based on what they know has helped them. And that is a good thing.

But I know of the other reality of this dis-ease and it's chronic, persistent side from my personal and others' experience.

So I try to offer a different perspective. The "spiritual" side of things.

~~~I know how this might sound to many.

I'm sure there are those out there who think many things about this including "shut the EF up with your spiritual nonesense. I want real, practical, tangible answers.

I want to get healthy again and live a normal life. I want my life back!

Take your silly bullshit spirit crap and shove it up your ass! I want real answers.

Not this crap about the other side. This God damned spirit crap!"(this is French,right? Pardon my French?)

~~~And I understand this.I want to get healthy again and live a normal, productive life too.

But I am faced with a reality that will not let that happen. And I have read so many stories of the same.

Some of us just are not getting better yet. No one really wants to hear these stories. They want to hear success stories and they want their own.

~~~I have been reading "the masters" for many years. Hundreds of books. They have told me many things.

One thing so many have conveyed to me was the importance of "meditating" on death. Death?! How grim! Morbid! Depressing!

They told me how short this precious life is. Blink and it will be gone!

At first this was a scary proposition. I didn't want to think about death, I want to think about life!

~~~And still,I kept reading their books and "meditating" on their many teachings.

And the more I pondered/meditated/flip-doodled on the reality of death, and other teachings, the more I saw the value and meaning of life.

I have learned the value of facing the reality of death. It causes me to let go of materiality and find what is left.

What is it that is most important? This I call, "they" call, the spirit.

~~~I don't know what happens after life. I don't know if there is an afterlife. I don't know if there is a God.

I have spent many a dark nights of the soul pondering this. Crying out to the unknown.

Pondering, praying, meditating, or whatever you wish to call it. And pondering these unanswerable mysteries has lead me to at least one certainty, one conclusion.

Whatever "this" is I know one thing for sure. All that exists outside of absolute zero is a miracle.

We are a miracle. "This" all is impossible. Nothing should exist!

Some something always comes from something else. Something cannot come from nothing! Something else must come from something else.

And yet "it" is here. The universe is filled with impossibilities! Where did it come from? Nothing? "This" is impossible!

And yet the impossible has happened! We have happened!

In my limited mind I can only see this as positively miraculous! What else could this be but a miracle?

~~~So to the atheists and their disbelief in God, I can only say the existence of God is no more far fetched a concept as the belief that anything exists.

Nothing should exist and yet it does. Why NOT God?

Everything that exists is impossible and so are "we" and yet it and we are here! How much less could the possibility of God be?

~~~Not to mention atheism is as extreme and unprovable a concept as is God. So if the atheists think theism is impossible so must be atheism. So perhaps atheists do not exist?

If a tree falls and no one is there to see it, does the tree make a sound?

Was it Nietzsche who said God is dead and God's reply is Nietzsche is dead?! (google god is dead-wikipedia etc)

~~~I don't know Hope.

But I am left with my own answer, conclusion, through my own personal experience, what the masters have been touting forever.

LOVE is the key. LOVE is the answer. LOVE is the door.

Compassion. Grace.

Forgiveness.

Understandiing.

Tolerance.

Openmindedness.

The Virtues are the key to open the door.

~~~To come "out" with this on open forum and the world at large is risky business. I am bearing my soul here.

These are not stuff, things. These are intangible, untouchable, feelings. People want a pill. A quick fix. Me too!

~~~That's all for now Hope.

~~~I love you.

```````~~~from my straight jacket~~~out on a limb~~~lookin like a cocoon~~~hangin by a thread~~~waitin for a butterfly~~~under the moon~~~Lovey-Dovey,Mitchell~~~

mitchell, i broke up your text, spaced after commas for easier reading for our neuro lyme members like me. bettyg, iowa leader Wink

Post edited by: Bettyg, at: 10/26/2010 02:26 AM

~~ "The way to 'Heaven' is to bring it with you ..." -Mitchell
~~ "Sometimes, we gotta go through hell to get to 'Heaven'" -Mitchell
~~ "The way out is in" -Mitchell
~~ "A miracle speaks ...'I don't believe in Miracles.' " -Mitchell
~~ "Life is good, even when it isn't." -Mitchell
~~ "Sometimes you gotta lose to win." -Mitchell
~~ "It's easy when it's easy! Find reason, purpose and meaning when it's hard!" -Mitchell
~~ "If you're gonna think, think again!" -Mitchell
~~ "Make it so!" ...
~~ “When life do what it do, as it do-do, simply say ‘Of Course!’ (to soften life’s ‘blows’)” - Mitchell
~~ A master once said, "When embarking on the spiritual path, 'Oh Dear! There's no turning back! You've really done it now!' "
~~ “Not thoughts be your guide, rather, guide your thoughts.” -Mitchell
~~ "That which is within, and that energy entering this body/mind/spirit, causing harm and ill health, must and will be transformed into love healing energy and sent out in every direction" -Mitchell
~~ One morning ten years ago I awoke from a dream chanting over again and again, and writing this down so as not to forget ... "It doesn't matter who did what, there's nowhere else to go but up ..." -Mitchell
~~ "This life, our life, and what we do with it on this planet is “simply” a display, a reflection, of what is going on in our consciousness. The proof is in the puddin’. Look at our planet, what humans are doing to it, and with it, and to one another, and ask yourself ... ~ 'How’s this working for us/me?' ” -Mitchell
~~ "Step away from monkey mind, not tangle ... Observe ... Inhabit your higher self ..." -Mitchell
~~ "Anything is possible, but manythings you think are true, are not ... " -Mitchell
~~ "Grow where you are planted ..." -Mitchell
~~ "Change your future now ..." -Mitchell
~~ “Write your equation … 4 u r the sum of u … “ -Mitchell
~~ “We are largely a product of our environments … how’s your inner environment doing? …” -Mitchell
~~ “We reveal ourselves to ourselves in everything we do … life is our mirror … howdoyoudo? …” –Mitchell
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10/24/2010 08:03 AM  Top
walkersraven
walkersravenPosts: 424
Member

You are a wonder and I read every one of your posts. Sure we all want to get better and look for quick fixes and miracles. No matter the beliefs and/or disbelief. I have been called a granola head, the indian chick lady, lives alone mountain woman and lord knows what else. My woods are dying from ash and pine bores, the coyotes run crazy and naked from mange, my pond "contaminated with 'swimmers itch' critters to name a few and I cry for the world as a whole.

"love"............small word, huge implications!!


10/24/2010 10:36 AM  Top
VicMac
VicMac  
Posts: 1653
Senior Member

Mitchell,

Very thought provoking post. Thankyou for posting it.

What I see, is that any illness has its physical, mental, emotional, AND SPIRITUAL components to it.

Mitchell, you seem to have discovered what so many of us have, and for sure myself, That it's pretty hard to recognize just one and not the others going on in ourselves.

Sharing on all of them is what makes a support group so rich! Even if we only choose to PM eachother on these things.

If a forum is a place where we share 'our experience' with illness, can't this also include the mental, emotional, and SPIRITUAL as well?

Seems that we each find HEALING in our own unigue individual ways. And it seems like some of us may find it more on a spiritual level, by really turning inward to find some sort of comfort.

This may be just the prescription that some Lyme sufferers need the most!

It is OUR OWN INDIVIDUAL CHOICE as to whether we take the spiritual 'specifics' that someone shares as 'preaching' or some sort of 'direct instruction' to each other on what to do.

Or, we can choose simply to OBSERVE ( without becoming offended ) that illness has caused some of us to become questioners and seekers of answers beyond just the 'physical' as a form of treatment. This is such a vital contribution to any forum!

I think it is pretty clear to most of us, that one of your best treatment methods Mitchell, is your own thoughts, and your expressing them with us! - As well as the compassion that you show for others on this forum ( Compassion is so KEY, as you mentioned. That was the first thing about his forum that drew me in. )

I would hate to ever see your long ponderings ever dwindle away for any reason. It also makes me feel much safer about sharing my own " Way out there" ( or should I say " Way in there" ) thoughts with everyone.

Just "layin it on the Lyme" with ya all!

That's "Hope" for me! ( Thanks for having a great name Hope! )

By the way, how do you write a word in "italics" in these posts?

From the Queen of self-editing.

Post edited by: VicMac, at: 10/24/2010 10:39 AM

Post edited by: Bettyg, at: 10/26/2010 02:29 AM

I wish I had solutions for everybody here who is suffering, but I am still hunting for them myself and seem to be more of a student on this board than a teacher. All I have to offer is my experience, support, and prayers based on what I have learned in my recovery. I am not a physician.

10/24/2010 01:53 PM  Top
TaraT
TaraT  
Posts: 4164
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I love you all...You help me to love "me". When it is so easy to abhor what I see in and of myself everyday through these lyme colored glasses we are all forced to wear at times.

I can lay them down with a smile and no strings attached...Just wish I could lose them...but then I'd be losing a part of me that has made me richer for it too...

With Him we "live" no matter the circumstances. At His feet peace of mind can be found. Peace that passes all understanding is my quest now and forever.

Numbers 6:24-26
"The LORD bless you and keep you;the LORD make his face shine upon you and be gracious to you; the LORD turn his face toward you and give you peace."

Previous discussions I participated in:
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Pituitary microadenoma and lyme
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10/25/2010 08:47 PM  Top
VicMac
VicMac  
Posts: 1653
Senior Member

You all have helped me to love me too. I think I was the biggest rejector of myself and the Lyme. Now I can accept myself.
I wish I had solutions for everybody here who is suffering, but I am still hunting for them myself and seem to be more of a student on this board than a teacher. All I have to offer is my experience, support, and prayers based on what I have learned in my recovery. I am not a physician.

10/26/2010 02:33 AM  Top
Bettyg
 
Posts: 27274
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I'm an Advocate

mitchell, hugs my friend Wink Kissing

i broke up your entire post and spaced after the commas for us neuro lyme folks to be able to comprehend/read your post better.

thanks for sharing all you did above with UNCONDITIONAL love from us here walking in your shoes; tight squeeze huh?

yes, this illness and other chronic and terminal illnesses makes us do some really deep SOUL SEARCHING.

we thank you from our souls for sharing your philosophies and views.

bettyg, iowa leader xoxox

BettyG, IOWA ACTIVIST
RETIRED llmd coordinator of 6 yrs; group leader

NOTE: I DO "NOT" USE CHAT thanks!
**************************************

NO INFORMATION SHOULD BE CONSIDERED MEDICAL ADVICE.
please see my WELCOME LETTER/BEGINNER'S LINKS with important links/info galore :)

http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/lyme-disease-support-forums/general-support/2356916-bettygs-welcome-letter-wgood-beginner-links-

Any information provided should not be used to take the place of advice from your personal physician or other professional.

Information on those sites is the opinion of those who publish the sites and is NOT necessarily that of BettyG.

43 yrs. chronic lyme; 35 yrs. misdiagnosed by 40-50 drs. unacceptable; see my profile for more.

10/26/2010 06:56 AM  Top
waxby
waxbyPosts: 4263
VIP Member

~~~Thank you ladies for you warm replies.

~~~I love you!

~~~Betty my own private editer and hugs giver galore. I like what you did to my post.

~~~I'm crying ladies. You help me love me too!

~~~How could it be possible not to love yourselves? Is it possible not to love our children?

How less possible could it be not to love yourselves. It is not possible for me not to love you! You are beautiful!

~~~We take our children, or our parents, friends, and family, strangers by the hand and try to lead them to the "promised land."

Can we not do this for ourselves? Are we any less worth it?

~~~In fact, if we do not take ourselves by the hand, lovingly, compassionately, and full of grace, how will we learn more deeply how to extend ours? To forgive those as we forgive ourselves?

~~~Riddle me this Batman!

```````~~~from my straight jacket~~~out on a limb~~~lookin like a cocoon~~~hangin by a thread~~~waitin for a butterfly~~~under the moon~~~Lovey-Dovey, Mitchell~~~

Post edited by: Bettyg, at: 10/27/2010 03:26 AM

~~ "The way to 'Heaven' is to bring it with you ..." -Mitchell
~~ "Sometimes, we gotta go through hell to get to 'Heaven'" -Mitchell
~~ "The way out is in" -Mitchell
~~ "A miracle speaks ...'I don't believe in Miracles.' " -Mitchell
~~ "Life is good, even when it isn't." -Mitchell
~~ "Sometimes you gotta lose to win." -Mitchell
~~ "It's easy when it's easy! Find reason, purpose and meaning when it's hard!" -Mitchell
~~ "If you're gonna think, think again!" -Mitchell
~~ "Make it so!" ...
~~ “When life do what it do, as it do-do, simply say ‘Of Course!’ (to soften life’s ‘blows’)” - Mitchell
~~ A master once said, "When embarking on the spiritual path, 'Oh Dear! There's no turning back! You've really done it now!' "
~~ “Not thoughts be your guide, rather, guide your thoughts.” -Mitchell
~~ "That which is within, and that energy entering this body/mind/spirit, causing harm and ill health, must and will be transformed into love healing energy and sent out in every direction" -Mitchell
~~ One morning ten years ago I awoke from a dream chanting over again and again, and writing this down so as not to forget ... "It doesn't matter who did what, there's nowhere else to go but up ..." -Mitchell
~~ "This life, our life, and what we do with it on this planet is “simply” a display, a reflection, of what is going on in our consciousness. The proof is in the puddin’. Look at our planet, what humans are doing to it, and with it, and to one another, and ask yourself ... ~ 'How’s this working for us/me?' ” -Mitchell
~~ "Step away from monkey mind, not tangle ... Observe ... Inhabit your higher self ..." -Mitchell
~~ "Anything is possible, but manythings you think are true, are not ... " -Mitchell
~~ "Grow where you are planted ..." -Mitchell
~~ "Change your future now ..." -Mitchell
~~ “Write your equation … 4 u r the sum of u … “ -Mitchell
~~ “We are largely a product of our environments … how’s your inner environment doing? …” -Mitchell
~~ “We reveal ourselves to ourselves in everything we do … life is our mirror … howdoyoudo? …” –Mitchell

Previous discussions I participated in:
risk of mms
HELPLESS
Hello All

10/27/2010 03:30 AM  Top
Bettyg
 
Posts: 27274
VIP Member
I'm an Advocate

mitchell,

my 5 yr. old niece taught me 30+ yrs. ago we have to LOVE OURSELVES before anyone else will love us. Smile hugs Kissing

glad you liked what i did with your post Smile much easier for this neuro to read.

BettyG, IOWA ACTIVIST
RETIRED llmd coordinator of 6 yrs; group leader

NOTE: I DO "NOT" USE CHAT thanks!
**************************************

NO INFORMATION SHOULD BE CONSIDERED MEDICAL ADVICE.
please see my WELCOME LETTER/BEGINNER'S LINKS with important links/info galore :)

http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/lyme-disease-support-forums/general-support/2356916-bettygs-welcome-letter-wgood-beginner-links-

Any information provided should not be used to take the place of advice from your personal physician or other professional.

Information on those sites is the opinion of those who publish the sites and is NOT necessarily that of BettyG.

43 yrs. chronic lyme; 35 yrs. misdiagnosed by 40-50 drs. unacceptable; see my profile for more.

10/27/2010 06:03 AM  Top
lydian
lydian  
Posts: 538
Member

Wink Sending you love Mitchell or should I call you Cyrano.

I know in my journey,I have become more spiritual, stronger, more patient and immensely grateful for even the littlest of things.

I especially am grateful for you, cmany, TF55, Dharma, Jaime, and later BettyG here on MDJ.


10/27/2010 08:49 AM  Top
VicMac
VicMac  
Posts: 1653
Senior Member

Betty, love the message from your five year old niece! "From the mouths of babes....."

I love all you guys too!, ( but feel guilty about it.) Seems much easier for me to love those who have suffered like I have.

I wish I had solutions for everybody here who is suffering, but I am still hunting for them myself and seem to be more of a student on this board than a teacher. All I have to offer is my experience, support, and prayers based on what I have learned in my recovery. I am not a physician.
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