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07/13/2010 12:25 PM

Igenex labs

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Could someone please tell me if you are suppose to be on antibiotics or off antibiotics when being tested for Lyme and coinfections.

I have been told that you should be off for two weeks , I just need to know for sure because I can't afford to take it again .

I am taking several antibiotics and herbal supplements.And I just want to get the most accurate results.Would appreciate any advice I can get.

edited; deleted bolding for entire post; hard on our eyes; thank you Wink

bettyg, iowa group leader Kissing

Post edited by: Bettyg, at: 07/15/2010 12:08 AM


07/13/2010 01:50 PM
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~~~Others will chime in here.I do believe it is recomended to be off abx for two weeks,give or take, b4 testing.

```````~~~From my straight jacket~~~out on a limb~~~lookin like a cocoon~~~hangin by a thread~~~waitin for a butterfly~~~under the moon~~~Mitchell~~~

07/13/2010 02:09 PM
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welcome amberSmile

the answer in my link below; dr. c's explanation of western blot igm and igg; PRINT IT OFF; lots of good info in there you will need for later on. Smile

it's your 1st homework assignment as it will help you prepare for lots of research on our mutual disease.


Welcome to MD JUNCTION!! I'm so glad you found us! You've come to the right place for education and support!

The following are some links that may be helpful to you:

Seeking a lyme literate md; start YOUR OWN POST on this new forum; do NOT just add it to the introduction post only. forums/llmd-info/1181374-lyme-literate-md-requests#1181957

(applies ONLY to those who posted elsewhere already ok.  )


start a NEW DISCUSSION by clicking on that at bottom of the page, copy your text to the body of message as you posted above read my detailed instructions in christine's 1st post explaining how to use this new forum; big thanks! Hugs; example below

subject: 4 yr. old needs KIDS LLMD IN MD, VA, DC area forums/llmd-info

Lyme Disease and Co-Infection Symptoms forums/studies-research/318635-lyme-and-co-infections- symptoms

Pages 17-19 discuss Adult and Kids Treatments forums/studies-research/1173561-08-kids-lyme-guidelines-of- dr-burrascano

Dr. B's Supplement List

Making the most of your LLMD visit ubb=gettopic&f=1&t=020605#000005

Herxheimer “herx” side effects to antibiotics & supplements …. Symptoms, treatments, and more! 1.25.10 forums/studies-research/1186591-jarischherxheimer-reaction- symptomstreatment

Herxing Reactions:; f=1;t=041517

CHECK OUT THE “LYME FACTS” forum; lots of good, accurate info there for your lyme journey. forums/studies-research

print off BUT YOU LOOK GOOD article on page 2 of this post where I broke it up for others to read easier; we neuro lymies! forums/general-support/1275535-feeling-guilty-for-being- sick/limitstart/10#1279159

Suggestions for When You Need Treatment and Funds Are Low plus Financial Burdens post towards bottom; extremely detailed by Melanie Reber

WHAT IS LYME DISEASE? as quoted by Dr. Burrascano forums/studies-research/1123178-a-must-read-for-new- members#1124851

Link to Turn the Corner Foundation: Good info and contacts for finding a good LLMD.

LYME YAHOO GROUP BOARD FOR EACH STATE FOUND HERE! People seeking doctors might be able to get help from their state online information and support group. The groups are moderated and you have to apply. Most don't allow doctor names, but once on the group, you can ask for doctors in a certain area and ask people to email you privately.

To find your state group, go to


South Carolina is the only state that needs a hyphen between the statename and lyme, e.g.

This explains the MEDICAL “POLITICS” AROUND LYME and why you need an ILADS-educated or ILADS-member LLMD (and there are also some ILADS-member LL NDs, naturopathic doctors: Lyme-War/article/117160/

You should also be evaluated for co-infections. Not all tests are great in that regard, either, but a good LLMD can evaluate you and then guide you in testing.;;;

For the Igenex Western blot IgM and IgG blood test drawn on M, T, or Wed am. Check current $; 3 wks. for results!

Call 1-800.832.3200. 78648?#000003

They will also send you a free “test kit” with their required form, all the test vials, & box to ship it in with return postage!

Be sure to download Igenex's required form IF you haven't called for Igenex to send you THEIR test kids!

MD, DO, ND, AC, DC are all fine** must sign, date, and show diagnosis code on there why he's ordering the test.

Optional tests include: co-infection panel for your area of country and PCR whole blood

Igenex is pre-pay/out of network for most insurances. If you are on medicare, Igenex will file the paperwork & it's free to you.

Get copies of all of your special bloodwork.

Overseas instructions for sending to Igenex/Fry Labs 2-23-08; f=1;t=063751

Dr C's Western Blot explanation is discussed here: forums/tips/1092391-missouri-drcs-western-blot-explanations- of-nos#1093495 forums/tips/3683-igenex-calif-western-blot-igmigg-testing-

ILADS - The International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society (ILADS) provides a forum for health science professionals to share their wealth of knowledge regarding the management of Lyme and associated diseases.

Call ILADS they are happy to refer to LLMd's around the country. Here is the contact link, scroll down beyond the email form for their phone number:

Under Our Skin Lyme Disease documentary

American Museum of Natural History 2 SLIDE SHOWS sid=h.s.lyme_brain.20100125

when you get to the site go to upper right hand corner and type in LYME DISEASE hit enter and it brings you to this very well-done slide show on LYME disease! it shows ”brain lesions” too. 1st one is DATED JAN. 25, 2010.

Betty, Minoucat, & Connie Mc's SSDI, SSI, & LTD DISABILITY RECOURCES FOR Disability, Insurance, Dealing with HMOs forums/general-support/3118-bettygs-disability-info-25- pages

Success Stories forums/general-support/57269-post-your-success-story-here

Distinct Pattern of Cognitive Impairment Noted in Study of Lyme Patients …..MUST READ!! EXPLAINS EVERYTHING !!

written by Marian Rissenberg PhD & Susan Chambers MD,

The Lyme Times, Vol. 20, Jan-Mar 1998, pp. 29-32

NEURO-COGNITIVE LYME DISEASE links from cheryl's site 1.10

Porphyria (including KPU) 87840?

cardiac symptoms please read!

SUICIDE HOTLINE PHONE NO. & PREVENTION TIPS forums/medicine-treatments/1275497-national-suicide- prevention-lifeline-tips; f=1;t=058059

TINNITUS: Ringing Between The Ears; Vestibular, Balance, Hearing with compiled links ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=065801


DIZZINESS - many details at this thread forums/medicine-treatments/Itemid=217/func=post/do=reply 65801?

TREEPATROL'S New Member Learning links: this can wait! There are OVER 1,000 LINKS here but treepatrol has organized it as best as he could

NEED A LAUGH, READ HERE & ADD YOUR OWN forums/lounge/1041725-looking-for-my-need-a-laugh-post- bettyg-started

you tubes, post your FUNNY or INSPIRATIONAL ones here forums/lounge/1114416-you-tubes-post-your- funnyinspirational-ones-here

Betty's suggested posting guidelines:

Many of members have neuro lyme, and it is hard to read long solid block text and be able to comprehend; example, me, 40 yrs. neuro chronic lyme, so we are able to comprehend and read. Then we can assist and guide you ok.

please post in short paragraphs like you see below or look at a few other posts, but we neuro folks need them short.

1-2 sentences MAX and hit ENTER TWICE to doublespace between each paragraph. Hugs

DO NOT BREAK UP THE SENTENCE THOUGH…we neuros lose our train of thought if it is broken up in the middle unless it goes on FOREVER!

For easier reading, please edit your post. You can break up your longer paragraphs into smaller paragraphs. Please hit “enter” key twice after each paragraph, also. Click EDIT send when done. 


Thank you for posting in a manner that makes it easier for all to read and help others.

07/13/2010 02:23 PM
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I asked my LLMD the same thing yesterday before I had my blood drawn for IGENEX testing.

To my SURPRISE, he said it is actually BETTER to be on abx. I don't know why but thinking that maybe it stirs the "critters" up so that they show their ugly selves?

Anyone else have a thought on this?

Post edited by: kimlovescats, at: 07/13/2010 02:24 PM

07/13/2010 06:42 PM
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That is what my LLMD is doing...he put me on abx to provoke my immune system/antibodies to react to the die off of the spirochetes, and three weeks into taking them I am going to retest my Igenex Western

Blot, the FISH test for Babesia through Igenex, a Bartonella test and CD-57. I didn't know that either, then when he told me it made total sense! : )

07/13/2010 07:50 PM
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That is what I beleive is correct too...on antibiotics to provoke the immune system so the antibodies show up..

07/14/2010 08:50 PM
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~~~This disease just can't get any more confusing,can it?

```````~~~From my straight jacket~~~out on a limb~~~lookin like a cocoon~~~hangin by a thread~~~waitin for a butterfly~~~under the moon~~~Mitchell~~~

07/14/2010 09:43 PM
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You would think it couldn't get any more confusing , but i contacted Igenex and they said to be off antibiotics for two weeks.

So really lost and confused now. But thankyou to all of you for your help, all of you guys are great and you certainly know more about this than I do. Thanks again.

edited; deleted all bolding of post .. hugs

bettyg, iowa leader Smile

Post edited by: Bettyg, at: 07/15/2010 12:10 AM

07/14/2010 09:52 PM
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~~~Well amber,they oughta know.Let us know,how it go.

```````~~~From my straight jacket~~~out on a limb~~~lookin like a cocoon~~~hangin by a thread~~~waitin for a butterfly~~~under the moon~~~Mitchell~~~

07/14/2010 10:25 PM
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I Will . Thanks again to everbody.

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