Why wear a ribbon?

"In support of my wife Mary who has had Lyme for about ten years, but was made aw..." (johndecicco)

MDJunction to me

"Glad I joined MDJ. Why? In one word PEOPLE. The folks at this site are some of the best people in the world. They have made my life better by being there for me. Thanks for making a place where support is available for me. You guys make this world a better place." (norma)
We comply with the HONcode standard for trustworthy health information:
verify here.
Lyme Disease Support Group
A community of patients, family members and friends dedicated to dealing with lyme disease, together.
Join This Group
Group Home   Forums   Articles   Members (752)   Diaries   Leaders   Guidelines
Related discussions:
<< Start < Prev 1 2 Next > End >>
09/04/2008 06:43
buckron

I had myself one bad day yesterday the pain totally was on me and would not go away.. i don't want that to happen again ...infact i am almost scared now to take things which kill Lyme and co-infections.I was and still am not very educated on how to deal with this thing But i keep a log on what i did every day and look back at it to see if a pattern develops and i think i figured something out.The Samento is wonderful and i would small herx with it every day up to a max of say 15 -18 drops, When i started adding any more than 2 drops a day of P73 oil of oregano i herxed and i paid.Its obvious the pattern showed clearly any more than 2 drops OO and i went into the O'l die off effect.So maybe Samento takes care of one thing and the OO tackled a co-infection.Lyme is too complicated you know all those fancy words for the invasive things that are hard to treat..I like to keep things as simple as possible and learn from other normal folks who are trying different things, But i think i have stumbled onto something here (Oil of oregano is fighting something else that Samento is not touching?)Would any one think that i should increase OO very gradually like even 1 drop a week to accelerate the healing? I don't mind small herxes but jeepers it was unbearable yesterday.I am having a great day today so far..a zero zip pain day but i am building up the Samento and almost too scared to start the OO again..any help would be really appreciated on this one.
Reply  


09/04/2008 09:45
tomro62
Lime Green Ribbon
Posts: 358
Member

Send a PM
Give a Hug
Buckron,

This is not a challenge to your assertions, just another possible thought process....

How do you know that you didn't have a negative reaction to the Oil or Oregano? Maybe you experienced a contraindication with other supplements or OTC products that you are taking?

From reading your previous posts, I can piece together something for you to ponder....

I believe you have written things that indicate your stress levels are higher than you'd like, from not feeling well mostly, as we can all relate to.

High stress levels can weaken adrenal function. Stress can dramatically lower levels of Zinc in our systems.

Okay, a few more questions, which are going to sound a lot like I'm asking you about Lyme, but I'm going in another direction...so...Are you tired a lot and sedentary for the most part because you are tired? Is your anxiety level up (I know, you are sick, so yes is the answer, just like me)? Are you having migraines at all, or more than frequent headaches? Do you feel depressed? Do you bruise easily? Do you find that you are having more than frequent cold or flu symptoms (or actual colds and flus)? And here's an interesting question...do you have cravings for chocolate or nuts?

If these things fall in to line for you, you might consider if you have excessive copper in your system.

Some people are prone to excessive levels of copper. Copper pipes are in our homes, and if your water is too acidic, it can leach in to your water. Copper is added to some municipal water supplies. Copper is sprayed on some produce to prevent algae and fungus. Vegetarians are prone to copper overload. Women are more prone to copper overload, especially those on birth control...but I think you are okay there.

Weak adrenal glands inhibit the liver's ability to rid your body of excessive copper, which is why I talked about stress and weakened adrenal glands earlier.

Okay, so why harp on copper?

Oil or Oregano has copper in it.

When our liver is not ridding our body of toxins, and yes, copper can reach toxic levels, it causes pain.

Zinc is copper's antagonist in our bodies. The two must be balanced properly to prevent copper overload. The balance should be 8:1 in favor of Zinc in your tissues. Lower Zinc levels can make you immune deficient as well.

My point here is not to have you (or anyone) run out and get tested for copper overload, or heavy metals of any kind.

I just didn't see anywhere in this post that you considered that the Oil or Oregano might be the problem, just that you were possibly herxing from it.

I have no idea whether you are experiencing effects of copper overload, or if you are herxing from the Oil or Oregano, but since I've read a few things about it, I thought I'd put it out there for everyone to give some thought to.

As I've mentioned before, we are adults and can make our own decisions on how we are going to treat our disease, and what we are going to put in to our bodies, but it's best to have as much information as possible before we do.

If I were a vegetarian, birth control or estrogen taking female, with copper pipes in my house...I wouldn't touch Oil of Oregano with a 10 foot pole! LOL

As Dennis Miller used to say at the end of his rants on his old HBO show...Of course, I could be wrong....

Tom

I am not a doctor, and nothing I say here should be taken as medical advice of any kind.

Popular posts by tomro62
    Oh, by the way....
    Rheumatic Fever?
    Detox
Reply  


09/04/2008 10:30
buckron

Give a Hug
Tom,Thanks..you have done your research,Its strange u did hit something thats at my place, we have copper corrosion in our piping,But i have never had one drop of it,I installed a reverse osmosis unit the first day i moved in,plus i get water from a friend thats pure and clean and his was tested for all the elements.I have had OO before Lyme and no reaction,when i had a cold years ago.I take 150 mg zinc a day and magnesium,I have no stress here,anxiety yup..yesterday plenty of it..i was pacing around in circles in pain.I never get a headache,but i have the creaking grinding snapping sounds at the base of my skull.Zero depression..I am a pretty happy camper even experiencing infection,I do not bruise easily and heal real fast,i do not have cravings for sweets, i never touch sugar unless its hard to avoid like ketchup and other foods.A funny thing is ..i have never had a sniffle of anything since i started Samento.BUT i have plenty of classic Lyme stuff,Yesterday the hissing in my ears was gone but today its back but i feel great no pain yet.I start to worry about 5pm..thats usually when the pain starts crawling inside me.I do eat walnuts every day for omega 3s and stuff like salmon oil..but i dont have a craving for nuts.Its strange also i get hungry and look in the fridge..dont want any of it..look in the cupboards..same thing..kinda like a food rut but at the same time i am starving, yuk. That describes me pretty well i think..very suprised though your copper pipe corrosion hit home..but i dealt with it.Thanks again Tom.
Reply  


09/04/2008 12:07
Bonski
Lime Green Ribbon
Posts: 176
Member

Send a PM
Give a Hug
It's a good point to think of potential problems with the cure itself. That's something to always think of.

I can't help but think that you're just taking a higher dose of antimicrobial meds. Oregano is a powerful medicine in it's own right. If it was me (and I'm not a doctor or anything or even close!..so for whatever it's worth) I would keep taking the combo but cut back one one or the other until I stopped feeling sick.

Ron, where did you buy the oil? Can you get it at any heathfood store?

Bonita


Popular posts by Bonski
    A Christma Story
    Lyme almost gone
Reply  


09/04/2008 12:42
tomro62
Lime Green Ribbon
Posts: 358
Member

Send a PM
Give a Hug
To be clear, Bonita, there is nothing that has proven Samento or Oil of Oregano is a "cure". I believe it's safe to say that there is not a clear-cut cure for Lyme at this time, so it's probably not a good idea to use that terminology when speaking about supplements or antibiotics; or anything that is being used to fight Lyme.

More studies have to be done, and that is something we are all interested in and fighting the mainstream medical community for; the right to have more research done to find a reliable test and a definitive treatment protocol.

I have no problem with supplements as an adjunct therapy, under the supervision of an MD.

My point to Ron was not to say he had copper overload, it was to point out that there is no way to be sure he was herxing from the "OO", and that it was fighting something the Samento wasn't. There can be a myriad number of reasons for the increase in his pain, none of which could have anything to do with the OO.

Tom

I am not a doctor, and nothing I say here should be taken as medical advice of any kind.

Popular posts by tomro62
    Oh, by the way....
    Rheumatic Fever?
    Detox
Reply  


09/04/2008 15:57
grayshockley
Lime Green Ribbon
Posts: 44
Member

Send a PM
Give a Hug
What does oil of oregano do? / Gray /
Reply  


09/04/2008 16:55
buckron

Give a Hug
i dont know what it does ..its supposed to be a super antifungal, Tom if u read this i am pain free now for 24 hrs and counting..i mean totally free of pain..i die one day and normal the next...sooo strange, out cutting wood and splitting..geting ready for winter one day and walking in circles in pain th next...go figure...i am a nut case!!
Reply  


09/05/2008 07:51
tomro62
Lime Green Ribbon
Posts: 358
Member

Send a PM
Give a Hug
You are not a nut case, Buckron. Your symptoms are very "Lyme like", for lack of a better term.

I wake up on some days, and can't get a clean breath all day long. Other days, it's not so bad. I never know what each day will be. That is Lyme and it's co-organisms...they run you crazy.

Tom

I am not a doctor, and nothing I say here should be taken as medical advice of any kind.

Popular posts by tomro62
    Oh, by the way....
    Rheumatic Fever?
    Detox
Reply  


09/05/2008 09:25
Bonski
Lime Green Ribbon
Posts: 176
Member

Send a PM
Give a Hug
Good point, Tom. Cure was the wrong word.

I was reading about oregano before I discovered samento and it sounded like it had a lot of potential. I think I'll look into it again.

Ron, what if you took the oil of oregano a few hours away from taking the samento? Maybe that will make a difference.

I'm sure glad you're feeling good!!

Bonita


Popular posts by Bonski
    A Christma Story
    Lyme almost gone
Reply  


09/05/2008 09:29
buckron

Give a Hug
Never thought of that one..will try it, I pm'd you regarding where i got my OO,I was great yesterday the pattern is repeating and i was herxing in the Doc office today, i tried to hide it but she knew i was in pain but i had a really good visit.
Reply  


<< Start < Prev 1 2 Next > End >>

Start a New Discussion

Disclaimer: The information provided in MDJunction is not a replacement for medical diagnosis, treatment, or professional medical advice. Read more.
Contact Us | Bookmark Us | Add a Doctor | For Doctors | FAQ | Awareness Ribbons
About Us | Terms & Conditions | Privacy | Spread the Word | Advertise
Copyright (c) 2008 MDJunction.com All Rights Reserved