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05/01/2010 12:01 PM
ladywendy
Posts: 6
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Hi, my friends daughter is 12 years old. She was diagnosed with lyme at the age of 7 1/2. The doctors gave her amoxaclyin for 3 to 4 weeks.

She is now having strange systems of canker sores all over her mouth, sometimes very bad and sometimes they seem like they are going away. She is also experiencing leg tremors.

The doctors won't test her for lyme, they said she was treated in the past and that was it.

My question is, could the lyme be showing itself again, could she be reinfected, or are these not lyme symptoms at all.

She has been to our Children's Hospital several times, even overnight and so far they've concluded it's psychological.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

edited; broke it up. bettyg, iowa leader

Post edited by: Bettyg, at: 05/02/2010 01:33 AM

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05/01/2010 06:30 PM  Top
decembergal
decembergal
 
Posts: 181
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I'm pretty much of the mind at this point that anything can be lyme.

If you go to the section where it says request a doctor and give them the state and city where she lives and how far they can travel. They will give you information on lyme literate doctors in that area. That would be the best way to go about it.

Hope this helps and that she gets the help she needs before things get worst.

God Bless,

Kathy


05/01/2010 06:38 PM  Top
TaraT
TaraT
 
Posts: 4164
VIP Member

This sounds exactly like a case of lyme that was not treated properly... As a matter of fact I'D BANK ON IT. The D*MN Doctors that wouldn't even TEST her again make me FUMING MAD...

How do they know that she wasn't reinfected? You can be reinfected but I'd bet this is residual from the initial lyme infection. She needs to see a Lyme Literate Dr IMMEDIATELY!!

They will test her again but honestly she doesn't NEED the test...she just needs the treatment..Lyme is supposed to be a CLINICAL diagnosis and if I WERE the Doc I'd start her on antibiotics immediately...and also recommend some supplements.

Now, if you'd like to get a list of Lyme LITERATE doctors that will treat this childs symptoms until they have been gone for two or three months then you can request the list from our group leaders on the request forum .

Go up on this page to the top right and in the search window type in "Request LLMD" and there post a request for the list of doctors and include the childs age and the city and state...

You may have just saved this childs life.

Glad you found us!

With Him we "live" no matter the circumstances. At His feet peace of mind can be found. Peace that passes all understanding is my quest now and forever.

Numbers 6:24-26
"The LORD bless you and keep you;the LORD make his face shine upon you and be gracious to you; the LORD turn his face toward you and give you peace."

05/01/2010 06:51 PM  Top
happymom3
 
Posts: 427
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I'm not sure how psychological factors could cause canker sores especially and leg tremors.

between me and many members of my family i also am convinced that lyme can cause a huge variety of symtpoms.

When i was trying to find out what was wrong with my 19 year old daughter at the time i got very little help until i saw a llmd-she had a varity of symptoms that did not seem to be linked until we found out it was lyme.

she was on antibiotics for 10 months and graduated on time from college and is now in graduate school. i am convinced that she would not have made this progress without the excellent treatment from her llmd.

because i had to be i am quite knowledgable about lyme disease and the one fact i know to be true is that the vast majority of medical professionals know very little about lyme.

the other thing i know to be true is that even those who are open about diagnosing it don't know how to adequately treat it.

any doubt go to a llmd-your child's future can depend on it-good luck!

edited it per happy mom's request since she has neuro problems too by bettyg, iowa leader Smile

Post edited by: Bettyg, at: 05/02/2010 01:29 AM


05/02/2010 01:41 AM  Top
Bettyg
 
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Hi, my friends daughter is 12 years old. She was diagnosed with lyme at the age of 7 1/2. The doctors gave her amoxaclyin for 3 to 4 weeks.

She is now having strange systems of canker sores all over her mouth, sometimes very bad and sometimes they seem like they are going away. She is also experiencing leg tremors.

The doctors won't test her for lyme, they said she was treated in the past and that was it.

My question is, could the lyme be showing itself again, could she be reinfected, or are these not lyme symptoms at all.

She has been to our Children's Hospital several times, even overnight and so far they've concluded it's psychological.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

where is your children's hospital located? i've heard very bad things about 1 of them!

YES, canker sores can be! my hubby had them horribly to the point you could NOT understand most of what he was saying and SO PAINFUL!

eventually they went away on their own, but i had him to several drs. & DENTIST! no one could figure out why.

after my official correct lyme diagnosis 6 yrs. ago; 34.5 yrs. MISDIAGNOSED by 40-50 drs; i had him tested too thru igenex, calif. for western blot igm/igg only.

my new beginner llmd did NOT know how to read these & said he wasn't positive.

however, now i'm educated & used dr. c's western blot explanation, i compared the positives/indetermined; YES'S HE'S POSITIVE but didn't meet cdc criteria to be COUNTED IN OUR STATE'S LYME STATISTICS!

also, check out my link below on CHILDREN'S SYMPTOMS FOUND IN MY SYMPTOMS LINKS FOR LYME/CO-INFECTIONS; i'll include my entire welcome letter since you started before i came to this board only; many helpful things in it.

that's why i broke up your post; i could NOT read as; so please break up your posts in future for us extremely neuro lyme folks so we can read/comprehend all posts. then we can help/assist you as necessary. Smile huge thanks!

Welcome to MD JUNCTION!! I'm so glad you found us! You’ve come to the right place for education and support!

The following are some links that may be helpful to you:

Seeking a lyme literate md; start YOUR OWN POST on this new forum; do NOT just add it to the introduction post only.

http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/lyme-disease-support- forums/llmd-info/1181374-lyme-literate-md-requests#1181957

(applies ONLY to those who posted elsewhere already ok.  )

NEW FORUM, SEEKING LLMDS, the last forum

start a NEW DISCUSSION by clicking on that at bottom of the page, copy your text to the body of message as you posted above read my detailed instructions in christine's 1st post explaining how to use this new forum; big thanks! Hugs; example below

subject: 4 yr. old needs KIDS LLMD IN MD, VA, DC area

http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/lyme-disease-support- forums/llmd-info

Lyme Disease and Co-Infection Symptoms

http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/lyme-disease-support- forums/studies-research/318635-lyme-and-co-infections- symptoms

http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/81386

Dr. Burrascano's most recent "Diagnostic Hints and 2008 Treatment Guidelines for Lyme and Other Tick Borne Illnesses" http://www.ilads.org/lyme_disease/treatment_guidelines.html

Pages 17-19 discuss Adult and Kids Treatments

http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/lyme-disease-support- forums/studies-research/1173561-08-kids-lyme-guidelines-of- dr-burrascano

Dr. B's Supplement List

http://www.lymepa.org/Nutritional_Supplements.pdf

Making the most of your LLMD visit

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi? ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=020605#000005

Herxheimer “herx” side effects to antibiotics & supplements …. Symptoms, treatments, and more! 1.25.10

http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/lyme-disease-support- forums/studies-research/1186591-jarischherxheimer-reaction- symptomstreatment

Herxing Reactions:

http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/89322

http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic; f=1;t=041517

CHECK OUT THE “LYME FACTS” forum; lots of good, accurate info there for your lyme journey.

http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/lyme-disease-support- forums/studies-research

print off BUT YOU LOOK GOOD article on page 2 of this post where I broke it up for others to read easier; we neuro lymies!

http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/lyme-disease-support- forums/general-support/1275535-feeling-guilty-for-being- sick/limitstart/10#1279159

Suggestions for When You Need Treatment and Funds Are Low plus Financial Burdens post towards bottom; extremely detailed by Melanie Reber

http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/3/22281

WHAT IS LYME DISEASE? as quoted by Dr. Burrascano

http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/lyme-disease-support- forums/studies-research/1123178-a-must-read-for-new- members#1124851

Link to Turn the Corner Foundation: Good info and contacts for finding a good LLMD.

http://turnthecorner.org/lyme-disease-quick-facts.htm

LYME YAHOO GROUP BOARD FOR EACH STATE FOUND HERE!

People seeking doctors might be able to get help from their state online information and support group. The groups are moderated and you have to apply. Most don't allow doctor names, but once on the group, you can ask for doctors in a certain area and ask people to email you privately.

To find your state group, go to

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/statenamelyme

example: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/newyorklyme

South Carolina is the only state that needs a hyphen between the statename and lyme, e.g. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/southcarolina-lyme

http://www.lymenet.org/SupportGroups/

This explains the MEDICAL “POLITICS” AROUND LYME and why you need an ILADS-educated or ILADS-member LLMD (and there are also some ILADS-member LL NDs, naturopathic doctors:

www.clinicaladvisor.com/Controversy-continues-to-fuel-the- Lyme-War/article/117160/

You should also be evaluated for co-infections. Not all tests are great in that regard, either, but a good LLMD can evaluate you and then guide you in testing.

www.igenex.com; http://www.frylabs.com; http://www.clongen.com; http://focusdx.com

For the Igenex Western blot IgM and IgG blood test drawn on M, T, or Wed am. Check current$ 3 wks. for results!

Call 1-800.832.3200 for current prices.

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/ 78648?#000003

They will also send you a free “test kit” with their required form, all the test vials, & box to ship it in with return postage!

Be sure to download Igenex’s required form IF you haven’t called for Igenex to send you THEIR test kids!

MD, DO, ND, AC, DC are all fine** must sign, date, and show diagnosis code on there why he’s ordering the test.

Optional tests include: co-infection panel for your area of country and PCR whole blood

Igenex is pre-pay/out of network for most insurances. If you are on medicare, Igenex will file the paperwork & it's free to you.

Get copies of all of your special bloodwork.

Overseas instructions for sending to Igenex/Fry Labs 2-23-08

http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic; f=1;t=063751

Dr C’s Western Blot explanation is discussed here:

http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/lyme-disease-support- forums/tips/1092391-missouri-drcs-western-blot-explanations- of-nos#1093495

http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/lyme-disease-support- forums/tips/3683-igenex-calif-western-blot-igmigg-testing-

ILADS - The International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society (ILADS) provides a forum for health science professionals to share their wealth of knowledge regarding the management of Lyme and associated diseases. www.ilads.org

Call ILADS they are happy to refer to LLMd's around the country. Here is the contact link, scroll down beyond the email form for their phone number:

http://www.ilads.org/contact/contact_ilads.html

Under Our Skin Lyme Disease documentary www.lymediseasefilm.com

American Museum of Natural History 2 SLIDE SHOWS

http://www.amnh.org/sciencebulletins/index.php? sid=h.s.lyme_brain.20100125

when you get to the site go to upper right hand corner and type in LYME DISEASE hit enter and it brings you to this very well-done slide show on LYME disease! it shows ”brain lesions” too. 1st one is DATED JAN. 25, 2010.

Betty, Minoucat, & Connie Mc’s SSDI, SSI, & LTD DISABILITY RECOURCES FOR Disability, Insurance, Dealing with HMOs

http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/lyme-disease-support- forums/general-support/3118-bettygs-disability-info-25- pages

http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/3/13935

Success Stories

http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/lyme-disease-support- forums/general-support/57269-post-your-success-story-here

http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/3/15820

Distinct Pattern of Cognitive Impairment Noted in Study of Lyme Patients …..MUST READ!! EXPLAINS EVERYTHING !!

written by Marian Rissenberg PhD & Susan Chambers MD,

The Lyme Times, Vol. 20, Jan-Mar 1998, pp. 29-32

http://www.anapsid.org/cnd/diffdx/rissenberg.html

NEURO-COGNITIVE LYME DISEASE links from cheryl’s site 1.10

http://www.lymeinfo.net/neuropsych.html

Porphyria (including KPU)

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/ 87840?

cardiac symptoms please read!

http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/77325

SUICIDE HOTLINE PHONE NO. & PREVENTION TIPS

http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic; f=1;t=058059

http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/lyme-disease-support- forums/medicine-treatments/1275497-national-suicide- prevention-lifeline-tips

TINNITUS: Ringing Between The Ears; Vestibular, Balance, Hearing with compiled links

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi? ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=065801

VESTIBULAR SYMPTOMS

http://www.vestibular.org/vestibular-disorders/symptoms.php

DIZZINESS - many details at this thread

http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/lyme-disease-support- forums/medicine-treatments/Itemid=217/func=post/do=reply

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/ 65801?

TREEPATROL’S New Member Learning links: this can wait! There are OVER 1,000 LINKS here but treepatrol has organized it as best as he could

http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/29917

NEED A LAUGH, READ HERE & ADD YOUR OWN

http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/lyme-disease-support- forums/lounge/1041725-looking-for-my-need-a-laugh-post- bettyg-started

you tubes, post your FUNNY or INSPIRATIONAL ones here http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/lyme-disease-support- forums/lounge/1114416-you-tubes-post-your- funnyinspirational-ones-here

Betty’s suggested posting guidelines:

Many of members have neuro lyme, and it is hard to read long solid block text and be able to comprehend; example, me, 40 yrs. neuro chronic lyme, so we are able to comprehend and read. Then we can assist and guide you ok.

please post in short paragraphs like you see below or look at a few other posts, but we neuro folks need them short.

1-2 sentences MAX and hit ENTER TWICE to doublespace between each paragraph. hugs DO NOT BREAK UP THE SENTENCE THOUGH…we neuros lose our train of thought if it is broken up in the middle unless it goes on FOREVER!

For easier reading, please edit your post. You can break up your longer paragraphs into smaller paragraphs. Please hit “enter” key twice after each paragraph, also.

Go to left hand corner; mark box to receive all replies and click edit send.

Thank you for posting in a manner that makes it easier for all to read and help others.

BettyG, IOWA ACTIVIST
RETIRED llmd coordinator of 6 yrs; group leader

NOTE: I DO "NOT" USE CHAT thanks!
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Information on those sites is the opinion of those who publish the sites and is NOT necessarily that of BettyG.

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05/02/2010 06:44 AM  Top
Paschalltwin
Paschalltwin
 
Posts: 199
Member

It is not psychological. That is the doctors answer for anything that they can't figure out. Find an LLMD. It sounds like it wasn't treated effectively or long enough.
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