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07/02/2013 05:03 PM

If I took just one supplement, which one would you all suggest?

lymesgottogo
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I am positive for Lyme, also bartonella and most likely babesia. I can't afford all the supplements but what would be one of the most important one to choose to add to my antibiotics?

Only being treated for the Lyme right now but I feel like the co infections are getting serious...

especially the pain in my head and neck, base of skull and all over muscle stiffness.

I need suggestions please

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07/02/2013 05:40 PM
vickgould
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Wow. That's a hard question. So many things do so many different things. Can I say rife machine even though its not a supplement?

07/02/2013 05:45 PM
jda815
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I can't give you just one because several things need to be done and we are all different with a different mix of pathogens. I can give you a list of inexpensive supplements and maybe you can talk to your doctor about them.

Stevia has been found to kill borellia. In a recent study done in part by Eva Sapi, it was found to reduce the spirochetes by 60% and the cysts by 98%. Someone else posted the article elsewhere on the site.

Turmeric and ginger can help reduce inflammation and pain in some people.

Milk thistle can help keep the spirochetes from going into cyst form when you take your abx. (now looks like stevia will too).

Dandelion root will help your liver.

Lemon water helps a lot with detoxing, and so does lots of plain water. Detoxing will help a lot with herxing.

All relatively inexpensive, and probably better together than one expensive drug.

I hope others can add to the list.


07/02/2013 06:20 PM
mysticthecat
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You absolutely must take one or two excellent probiotics. That is the only absolute.

07/02/2013 06:21 PM
StephenLyme
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Probiotic to prevent C-diff. But after that, a cyst-buster.

07/02/2013 06:40 PM
Rifetolife
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Yep...probiotic.

07/02/2013 06:47 PM
ToddPaul
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Samento based on Dr. Sapi's research though Banderol was used in the study also so you may need both.

07/03/2013 06:20 AM
lymesgottogo
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Samento and Banderol, does that attack the Lyme or the co-infections? And where do you get them?

07/03/2013 07:32 AM
waxby
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COMBINATION THERAPY

Treatment of chronic Lyme usually requires combinations of antibiotics. There are four reasons for this:

1. TWO COMPARTMENTS- Bb can be found in both the fluid and the tissue compartments, yet no

single antibiotic currently used to treat Bb infections will be effective in both compartments. This is

one reason for the need to use combination therapy in the more ill patient. A logical combination

might use, for example, azithromycin plus a penicillin.

2. INTRACELLULAR NICHE- Another reason, discussed below, is the fact that Bb can penetrate and

remain viable within cells and evade the effects of extracellular agents. Typical combinations

include an extracellular antibiotic, plus an intracellular agent such as an erythromycin derivative or

metronidazole. Note that some experts discourage the co-administration of bactericidal plus

bacteriostatic agents, thus the recommendation to avoid a cell wall drug combined with a

tetracycline.

3. L-FORMS (SPHEROPLAST)- It has been recognized that B. burgdorferi can exist in at least two,

and possibly three different morphologic forms: spirochete, spheroplast (or l-form), and the recently

discovered cystic form (presently, there is controversy whether the cyst is different from the l-form).

L-forms and cystic forms do not contain cell walls, and thus beta lactam antibiotics will not affect

them. Spheroplasts seem to be susceptible to tetracyclines and the advanced erythromycin

derivatives. Apparently, Bb can shift among the three forms during the course of the infection.

Because of this, it may be necessary to cycle different classes of antibiotics and/or prescribe a

combination of dissimilar agents.

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Page 13 of 37

4. CYSTIC FORM- When present in a hostile environment, such as growth medium lacking some

nutrients, spinal fluid, or serum with certain antibiotics added, Bb can change from the spiral form

(“spirochete”) into a cyst form. This cyst seems to be able to remain dormant, but when placed into

an environment more favorable to its growth, Bb can revert into the spirochete form. The antibiotics

commonly used for Lyme do not kill the cystic form of Bb. However, there is laboratory evidence

that metronidazole and tinidazole will disrupt it. Therefore, the chronically infected patient who has

resistant disease may need to have metronidazole (or tinidazole) added to the regimen. More

details are provided in the section on treatment options.

-from http://www.lymenet.org/BurrGuide200810.pdf

~~ Samento and Banderol are popularly effective NutraMedix herbs …

- Samento & Banderol Herbal Extracts

- http://www.townsendletter.com/July2010/sapi0710.html

~~ Some Nutramedix Herbs, can be ordered through http://www.myherbs.net/

~~ Samento: Shown to be very effective at eradicating Borrelia, many species of Bartonella, and Ehrlichiosis. Shown to be more effective for certain individuals than Doxycycline.

~~ Banderol: Shown to be very effective against Borrelia burgdorferi/Bb, the cause of lyme. Also effective against Bartonella, Babesia, and Ehrlichiosis. Known as "keep 3" which means "Kills Everything Except people."

~~ Lakato: Good anti-bacterial properties & anti-viral properties, effective against Borrelia, Bartonella, and Ehrlichiosis. Also known as "keep 3" which means "Kills Everything Except people."

~~ Enula: Extract of three different plants, useful in treating parasitic infections, also effective against certain species of Babesia. Good anti-parasitic and anti-bacterial properties.

~~ Houttuynia: Very effective against resistant strains of Bartonella, especially if other treatments fail.

~~ Cumanda: Very effective in treating Borrelia (lyme), very good anti-fungal properties. Also good against Babesia, Bartonella, and Ehrlichiosis. Kills Candida as well. Also known as "keep 3"

~~ Quina: an anti-inflamatory, broad spectrum anti-bacterial and antiprotozoal effective against Bb and the co-infections.

~~ MMS … See my “Hello Newbies” post for details

I get my MMS from http://www.mms-healthyliving.com/

MMS info … http://phaelosopher.com/2007/09/09/no-miracle-just- wonderful-chemistry/

http://www.healthsalon.org/264/mms-de-mystified-sodium- chlorite-stabilized-oxygen-chlorine-dioxide-detox/

~ Byron White Formulas …

~ http://www.wayneanderson.com/pages/formulas/intro your Dr can order or go to http://www.forresthealth.com/byron-white-formulas.html and call the ph# on it for info. on how to order.

http://www.forresthealth.com/byron-white-formulas.html

http://www.faim.org/lyme/byronwhiteformulas.html

http://www.bioresourceinc.com/bwherbal/

http://lymediseaseresource.com/wordpress/another-natural- healing-protocol-for-chronic-lyme-diseas/

http://byronwhiteformulas.com/index.html?formulas/formulas/ ac.html

~~ MDJ “Byron White Formulas Guidance” thread:

http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/lyme-disease-support- forums/general-support/2418870-byron-whites-formula- guidance

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07/03/2013 07:43 AM
lymesgottogo
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waxby, are you taking the mms alone or with the citric acid drops as well? How much mms do you take?
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