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06/13/2008 11:42
lmcclure4477
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I see that you have to pay up front, but how did you get your insurance to give you some of the money back?
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06/13/2008 18:13
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Hi, I suggest you get all your tests through Igenex especially the western blot. I ordered the initial lyme panel and the 5090 panel for co-infections in our region. IgeneX will not bill insurance but Kaiser( my insurance) is going to reimburse me 100%. I was told it will be about $1,100. Also they must draw the blood at the beginning of the week to ensure a fresh sample for testing. You should plan to get a deep tissue massage the day before you draw your blood, I guess it releases the bacteria into your system to get a more positive test. If you feel awful after the massage the next day you probably have lyme. I realize your muscles are already achy from the fibro diagnosis so do what ever you can tolerate during the massage, it will still work. My long awaited test is Monday, so I will get my massage on Sunday.

Good luck and take care, Denise

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06/14/2008 11:26
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I just sent in bill they sent me that said PAID IN FULL. I then turned it over to my insurance company...They will apply it to out of network but I still got 700 back...

I did not have a massage, and my test came back positive after removing my tick on July 22, it came back positive in October 1...

Good luck

Julie

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06/14/2008 12:23
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Hi,

Lyme is very tricky and not easy to overcome. Many times it is yeast, not lyme that is causing the illness.

Robert

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06/14/2008 16:16
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I only remember paying $250 for my Igenex test.
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06/15/2008 03:52
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I had the western blot and all co-infections tests done, the total bill was 1080.00 something like that..

Julie

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11/04/2008 16:20
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Suzie,

Where do you live and what doctor do you use. My Western blot came out negative and I am waiting for my Ignex results but if that is negative I still would like to try anitbiotics. I really think I have lyme, but no tests are confirming this. Thanks

Debra

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11/04/2008 16:28
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Lyme is a clinical diagnosis. Even the CDC says that.

An llmd will treat for Lyme even without a positive test (IGeneX) if the other clinical markers are there.

I've never had a positive Western Blot, but positive with spinal tap---- the PROOF! (Not suggesting spinal taps ad lib. )

Nine Reasons for False Negative Lyme Disease Blood Test Results

From the Lyme Disease Foundation brochure, Frequently Asked Questions About Lyme Disease

1. Antibodies against Borrelia burgdorferi (Bb) are present, but the laboratory is unable to detect them.

2. Antibodies against Bb may not be present in detectable levels in a patient with Lyme disease because the patient is currently on, or has recently taken, antibiotics. The antibacterial effect of antibiotics can reduce the body's production of antibodies.

3. Antibodies against Bb may not be present in detectable levels in a patient with Lyme disease because the patient is currently on or has previously taken anti-inflammatory steroidal drugs These can suppress a person's immune system, thus reducing or preventing an antibody response.

4. Antibodies against Bb may not be present in detectable levels in a patient with Lyme disease because the patient's antibodies may be bound with the bacteria with not enough free antibodies available for testing.

For this reason, some of the worst cases of Lyme disease test negative -- too much bacteria for the immune system to handle.

5. Antibodies against Bb may not be present in detectable levels in a patient with Lyme disease because the patient could be immunosuppressed for a number of other reasons, and the immune system is not reacting to the bacteria.

6. Antibodies against Bb may not be present in detectable levels in a patient with Lyme disease because the bacteria has changed its makeup (antigenic shift) limiting recognition by the patient's immune system.

7. Antibodies against Bb may not be present in detectable levels in a patient with Lyme disease because the patient's immune response has not been stimulated to produce antibodies, i.e., the blood test is taken too soon after the tick-bite (8-6 weeks).

Please do not interpret this statement as implying that you should wait for a positive test to begin treatment.

8. Antibodies against Bb may not be present in detectable levels in a patient with Lyme disease because the laboratory has raised its cutoff too high.

9. Antibodies against Bb may not be present in detectable levels in a patient with Lyme disease because the patient is reacting to the Lyme bacteria, but is not producing the "right" bands to be considered positive.

Reasons Why A Seronegative Test Result Might Occur

Tom Grier, Lyme Alliance

1. Recent infection before immune response

2. Antibodies are in immune complexes

3. Spirochete encapsulated by host tissue (i.e. lymphocytic cell walls)

4. Spirochete are deep in host tissue

5. Blebs in body fluid, no whole organisms needed for PCR

6. No spirochetes in body fluid on day of test

7. Genetic heterogeneity (300 strains in U.S.)

8. Antigenic variability

9. Surface antigens change with temperature

10. Utilization of host protease instead of microbial protease

11. Spirochete in dormancy phase

12. Recent antibiotic treatment

13. Recent anti-inflammatory treatment

14. Concomitant infection with babesia may cause immunosuppression

15. Other causes of immunosuppression

16. Lab with poor technical capability for Lyme disease

17. Lab tests not standardized for late stage disease

18. Lab tests labeled "for investigational use only"

19. CDC criteria is epidemiological, not a diagnostic criteria

http://www.anapsid.org/lyme/lymeseroneg.html

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11/04/2008 16:35
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Debra,

If you get a Negative from 2 tests the chances you have lyme do go down. There are other possibiliites that can cause lyme like symptoms. For example it is possible to have the following symptoms: Joint pain, Headach, Exaustion... and have it be something else like Candida "yeast". (Candida is often found in conjunction with Lyme as well).

If your Ignex results are Negative I suggest that you look into other possibilities before you start Antibiotics. Doing antibiotics without the need is actually not a good idea.

In some ways I hope you do get a Negitive result (Lyme is nasty stuff).

Best of luck,

Bob

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