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07/02/2012 05:22 PM
hatbox121
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I know this is a FM group, but I also know that there are several with moderate to severe RLS so I'm gonna ask those folks a question. Hopefully I'll get an answer!W00t

Ok so I was dxed with intermittent RLS recently. I'm new to the game. I have two questions.

1. I've noticed that my legs will hurt like I've been running all day after I go to bed. Is that the pain part of RLS or just other junk? I've heard/read that RLS is painful, but having a hard time figuring out what is what since I don't always have that creepy crawly feeling.

2. I've been having the ants crawling up my legs feeling pretty much all day today. I'm on sinemet and have only taken in randomly(I'm on a as needed Rx). Always at night after I couldn't go to sleep because of itching or creepiness. I always go to sleep. Is it wise to try to take it during the day or do I need to just deal with it for the time being?

Thanks!

Amy~ “When you come to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on.” ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

Current dxes-Ehlers Danlos Syndrome, Mitral Valve Prolapse w/regurg, 2 other heart valves with regurg, POTS, DDD, scoliosis, various OA, polyneuropathy of unknown origin, SI joint dysfunction/fusion/collapse, chronic rotar cuff tendonitis, impingement syndrome of the shoulder, chronic bursitis in various locations, degeneration of the sternum, vertigo, GERD, FM, CFS, CPS, various bone marrow lesions, brain lesions of unknown cause, migraines, TMJ, vertically bulging discs, Raynaud's, anemia, tinnitus, high copper levels, borderline glaucoma, colon polyps, intermittent RLS, Vit D deficiency, depression, Eye accomodation disorder, Essential tremor, recurrent kidney stones, sacral spine disorder, inflammed tendons, and inflammation of spinal nerves(no specific dx).

I'm am not a dr. I am not a substitute for a dr. All advice I give is based on research and my personal experiences.
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07/02/2012 08:24 PM  Top
anitafolkers
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I have rls but dont take meds bc my doc is an idiot. i think it depends on the person mine is like my legs dont know what to do. my 14 yr old summed it up for me she said mom your legs adhd. they cant sit still lol. my feelings i get is restlessness due to pain or just plain i cant explain it especially if ive been on my feet alot. sorry i really didnt help any. Blink
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07/02/2012 10:26 PM  Top
MoiraWolf
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I have severe RLS. I take meds day and night to keep my legs calmer. If I had to take a long time sitting, say a long car ride, I'd have to take extra or I wouldn't be able to sit there. Nighttime is worse of course.

Hat, your question of the very tired feelings in your legs, the tightness, and pain yes, that's also RLS. Any feeling that you should move your legs to relieve pain/pressure/odd sensations, is RLS.

Yes, that ant crawling feeling is also RLS. RLS is mainly at night... but not ONLY at night, depends on the severity of your problems. Yes, you can take Sinemet anytime. that was the first medication I was put on as well, and I never had any problems with daytime sleepiness on it. The reason you drop off so fast and sleep so well after taking it, is not that it drugs you, it's that your legs are calm and you can actually sleep instead of being woken by jerks and cramps in your legs all night.

Do an experiment. Not always are RLS symptoms so bad that you consciously notice them. But try to go to sleep and you keep waking up anyway. Take the sinemet every night for a week. See if you don't sleep better every night. Take a smaller dose in the morning or early afternoon (head off symptoms before they start). Then go back to taking them only as you think you need them, when the legs are being so twitchy you need it to even think about falling asleep. You'll see that Sinemet doesn't make you sleepy (daytime) and that at night, you're having symptoms even when you're not consciously aware of it, because taking it nightly improves your sleep over when taken "as needed."

I love Sinemet, it acts fast, within 10 minutes usually. (My gabapentin takes about an hour to take effect.) The only downside to Sinemet is, eventually, you'll build up a tolerance to it, called augmentation, and you'll find you need more and more of it, to get the same effect. This is a problem with the medication itself and the way it acts on the body. And when you finally do have to switch off of it, you MUST taper the dose. Idiot doctor who told me to switch and "here try this requip" told me to stop the Sinemet cold turkey and take the other after being on Sinemet for 4 years. By midnight I was walking the floors my legs hurt so bad, and by 2am I was just about screaming with the pain. Your body becomes dependant on the drug after a while and you have to taper off the dosage. NEVER try to quit Sinemet cold turkey after taking it daily for a while. Believe me, you'll DEEPLY regret it.

How big a dose are you on? I think I started out on 3 tablets at bedtime, and wound up on 5 and needed to go to 6 when I was switched off it.

I am not a medical doctor and any medical opinion I give is based on personal experience and/or research. It is not intended to suppliment or replace your doctor. Follow at your own risk.

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07/03/2012 03:13 AM  Top
Sswelteer

If you ever want to research an RLS study/abstract, I only recently came across the name change for RLS. Willis-Ekbom disease is the new name. It is already being abbreviated Ekbom disease. A name change was unanimously voted for by the Restless Leg Syndrome Foundation, because they wanted a name that did not exclude the other symptoms from people's minds, and because it also occurs in arms, torso and even phantom limbs.

Magnesium and iron deficiencies are sometimes associated with it. For more on Magnesium and Fibromyalgia see this Mark London (MIT) article

http://web.mit.edu/london/www/magnesium.html

Some people like to get a little iron in their diet each day, and also use an iron skillet.

http://www.ctds.info/fibromyalgia-diet.html

Folic acid/ B-12 may help also.

Here are a couple of home remedies for itchy legs

***A fresh bar of soap in the sheets. REALLY. Some people swear this has helped. And when it stops helping they replace it with a fresh bar. Also helps some people with leg cramps.

You can try wrapped or unwrapped . Different people, different results

For testimonials visit this site:

http://www.peoplespharmacy.com/2005/12/07/soap-under-the/

***Vic's Vapour rub immediately before going to sleep ( tough timing for the fibro folks, lol). May need to reapply. Definitely do a small test area sometime to test for skin sensitivity to menthol.

Wikipedia has a great overview of RLS, or for more of a laymen's reading see this article:

http://www.helpguide.org/life/restless_leg_syndrome_rls.htm

Post edited by: Sswelteer, at: 07/18/2012 05:03 AM


07/03/2012 05:12 AM  Top
hatbox121
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Thanks Sswelter for all the info! I am low on iron ferritin and am on iron + vit C supplements twice a day.

Mo, I'm on 1-2 as needed for now. He wanted to try it out to see if it helped along with a sleep diary. I'll try the experiement starting this weekend just in case. I don't remember what mg I'm on. I'll come back and put that on here when I get a chance. I don't always get the jumpy creepy feeling, but I do get the "I've run 7 miles from a giant bear" feeling in them often.

Post edited by: hatbox121, at: 07/03/2012 05:13 AM

Amy~ “When you come to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on.” ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

Current dxes-Ehlers Danlos Syndrome, Mitral Valve Prolapse w/regurg, 2 other heart valves with regurg, POTS, DDD, scoliosis, various OA, polyneuropathy of unknown origin, SI joint dysfunction/fusion/collapse, chronic rotar cuff tendonitis, impingement syndrome of the shoulder, chronic bursitis in various locations, degeneration of the sternum, vertigo, GERD, FM, CFS, CPS, various bone marrow lesions, brain lesions of unknown cause, migraines, TMJ, vertically bulging discs, Raynaud's, anemia, tinnitus, high copper levels, borderline glaucoma, colon polyps, intermittent RLS, Vit D deficiency, depression, Eye accomodation disorder, Essential tremor, recurrent kidney stones, sacral spine disorder, inflammed tendons, and inflammation of spinal nerves(no specific dx).

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07/03/2012 05:52 AM  Top
hatbox121
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It's 25-100 mg.
Amy~ “When you come to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on.” ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

Current dxes-Ehlers Danlos Syndrome, Mitral Valve Prolapse w/regurg, 2 other heart valves with regurg, POTS, DDD, scoliosis, various OA, polyneuropathy of unknown origin, SI joint dysfunction/fusion/collapse, chronic rotar cuff tendonitis, impingement syndrome of the shoulder, chronic bursitis in various locations, degeneration of the sternum, vertigo, GERD, FM, CFS, CPS, various bone marrow lesions, brain lesions of unknown cause, migraines, TMJ, vertically bulging discs, Raynaud's, anemia, tinnitus, high copper levels, borderline glaucoma, colon polyps, intermittent RLS, Vit D deficiency, depression, Eye accomodation disorder, Essential tremor, recurrent kidney stones, sacral spine disorder, inflammed tendons, and inflammation of spinal nerves(no specific dx).

I'm am not a dr. I am not a substitute for a dr. All advice I give is based on research and my personal experiences.

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07/03/2012 01:37 PM  Top
Sswelteer

IV infusions of iron demonstrated that iron did work for many patients, but it seems some people have more difficulties storing iron in different parts of the brain, and some patients may have difficulties with iron receptors.

A Natural Medicine Journal article reviewing a number of studies, shows that in some Ekbom patients melatonin would want to be encouraged, and in some discouraged--- just to complicate life. Let me include some testimonials of people who found that melatonin increased suicidal ideation, and yet there are some studies that find melatonin improves depression. I know I'm repeating myself, but depression sux too, so here's that link again:

http://blog.drlark.com/blog/nutrition-for-women/does- melatonin-increase-or-cause-depression

Post edited by: Sswelteer, at: 07/03/2012 01:39 PM


07/03/2012 03:29 PM  Top
hatbox121
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I'm not a candidate for iron transfusions as my blood levels of iron(free iron or something like that) is normal. Even while bleeding pints of blood my H&H's also remain normal. I just don't have any iron left in storage(ferritin).

We have my son on melatonin nightly and my daughter is on a blood pressure med for sleep issues as well. It runs in the family. I'm very odd in that sometimes I can't sleep and other times I can't wake up/stay awake. So it's difficult for me to know which night is what. I also can't take any meds that will knock me out because my son has asthma and is young so if he were to have an attack I need to be in a light enough sleep to get up to get his inhaler. All his attacks are at night.

Amy~ “When you come to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on.” ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

Current dxes-Ehlers Danlos Syndrome, Mitral Valve Prolapse w/regurg, 2 other heart valves with regurg, POTS, DDD, scoliosis, various OA, polyneuropathy of unknown origin, SI joint dysfunction/fusion/collapse, chronic rotar cuff tendonitis, impingement syndrome of the shoulder, chronic bursitis in various locations, degeneration of the sternum, vertigo, GERD, FM, CFS, CPS, various bone marrow lesions, brain lesions of unknown cause, migraines, TMJ, vertically bulging discs, Raynaud's, anemia, tinnitus, high copper levels, borderline glaucoma, colon polyps, intermittent RLS, Vit D deficiency, depression, Eye accomodation disorder, Essential tremor, recurrent kidney stones, sacral spine disorder, inflammed tendons, and inflammation of spinal nerves(no specific dx).

I'm am not a dr. I am not a substitute for a dr. All advice I give is based on research and my personal experiences.

Previous discussions I participated in:
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07/04/2012 01:01 AM  Top
Sswelteer

Thank you whispers. It's 3:00 am, and I just took an anti- inflammatory. I quit taking them a loong time ago, and a loong time ago my sleep got awful. Here's hoping just one more puzzle piece is the one. Who doesn't like a puzzle? Don't answer that!
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