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09/04/2008 09:37 PM
newlifechange
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I don't know if Fibro affects all of us the same or not. All I know is that I have it. I don't know when it's fibro that I'm feeling and when it's not. How am I supposed to tell the difference. Am I always supposed to think its Fibro so then I don't waist time and money with a Doc? I have a stiff body, so much pain in my feet, a knawing pain on my left side, my shoulders get inflamed alot and all my pressure points hurt like they are bruises. Is this all Fibro? If so then does it go away or at least does the pain lesson if I get on Meds? Grrr I am just hurting and soooo sick of it!
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09/04/2008 10:19 PM  Top
Cornbread
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sounds like my stuff, but my pain is on the right and is preceded with an electrical burst. as my neurologist just told me, meds may work, they may not. you have to try and solve the worst problems and move on from there. I would definitely see a dr. though.
Give yourself fully to God. He will use you to accomplish great things on the condition that you believe much more in His love than in your own weakness.- Mother Theresa

"The Mystery of Pain" -Emily Dickinson-
Pain has an element of blank;
It cannot recollect
When it began, or if there were
A day when it was not.

It has no future but itself,
Its infinite realms contain
Its past, enlightened to perceive
New periods of pain.


I’m stuck in a body that is a prison and I’m going crazy inside my cell. -Me-

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09/05/2008 05:24 AM  Top
Jeerie
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Sounds a lot like some of what I go through too. I agree with Amy, you need to see a dr. YOu will definitely go through some trial and error with this condition...it seems like just about everybody has. I hope you are successful. I've tried about 5 meds and so far percocet is the only thing that works that I can tolerate. Take care of yourself and find a pain medicine that works for you so you can get some much needed relief. You could also try soaking in a nice warm bath or using a heating pad. They help for me. Even just standing in the shower helps me...well, it helps my back. I usually get out without much help to my legs because I've been standing there for so long. It's just never easy! Good luck, let us know if you need anything!

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09/05/2008 06:41 AM  Top
newlifechange
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thanks to you both i appreciate it. the feet pain is what gets me the worst. its also becuz of my job to. i run around constantly and they have concrete floors. i have to have insoles to help raise my arches. the whole thing sucks. i can barely get off the couch. sometimes i actually cant and i have to crawl to the bathroom. ive been to the doctor but sometimes i think that they think im just making stuff up or something. they sure havent given me anything for it. one told me i should look elsewhere for a job. i have insurance with this one and with pre existing conditions i doubt i will be able to find a good insurance if i did change jobs. grrr this fibro is for the birds!
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09/05/2008 06:46 AM  Top
Jeerie
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The whole thing with my feet really makes me wonder! I could do pretty much nothing all day except take care of the baby. Except for getting her to the changing table and moving her around a bit, I could do everything sitting down either on the couch or on the floor. When I go to bed, my feet throb like I've been on them all day!! It reminds me of my waitress days!

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09/05/2008 07:20 AM  Top
broken
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its along road but we are on it together it seems to me we are all effected diffrent but the same pain please always follow up on diffrent signs for it can be fibro or not.there are alot of diffrent types of treratment and we all agree on that but what will work for you will be trail and error,there are natural,medical and unconventinal,first thing is find a doctor you can work with not one that wants to medicate you and send you on your way
we all have alot to give if one gets the help then some of this suffering is worth it..

remeber I am not a doctor I just say what I think

09/05/2008 04:40 PM  Top
Auntie3285
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In April of '07, my feet began to hurt so I went the same route as the rest of you...inserts, new shoes, ""better"" new shoes, foot massages, foot soaks.. you name it.

About July, I went to a Podiatrist who said ""well, it s not Plantar Fascitis but I don t know exactly what it is"" ...Recommended not to go bare-footed anymore, no more flip-flops or sandals without a heel strap, ice packs 15 minutes every 4-6 hours and rolling feet from the ankles up to 10x each before getting out of bed in the mornings or after sitting for a long period of time.

By Fall, the pain was tolerable so I kept doing everything she told me but stopped going to see her.

Winter wasn t too bad at all with foot pain/discomfort.

Spring brought talks with PCP and Rhuemy and yep, this was probably one of the signs of the Fibro .

This summer I have gone bare-footed, worn sandals etc. with no problems other than just tired feet from standing on them so much at work but that is normal, I think.

Newlife, I m thinking maybe you should get in with a dr. and be officially dx d with the Fibro and go from there. Some here are in extreme pain and others it is pretty mild. Some are trying the ""natural"" route as opposed to prescription meds...what works for one doesn t necessarily work for others.

At least, seeing a dr. would set your mind at ease as to whether what you re suffering is actual Fibro or not.

The only med I take for my Fibro is Lyrica (75mg 2x) at bedtime and I am much more comfortable that I ever was prior. Works for me !!!

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09/05/2008 10:07 PM  Top
raynedae
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Scan the forums and you'll find lots of people with the same symptoms as yours. Almost all of us have some help managing the pain and especially the sleep...fibro might cause insomnia or insomnia might cause fibro--the doctors are still arguing that one. Anyway, you need to see your PCP at the very least and bring a list of every single symptom. There are dozens of different drugs we take for nerve/muscle pain and an incredible amount of sleeping pills. Very gentle stretching can really help--I personally follow a book called "Get Fit In Bed" but a lot of people get relief from water exercising. Guard your down time, don't overexert yourself on days when you might be feeling better and try to relax every chance you get. Good luck to you!
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09/06/2008 11:35 AM  Top
sleepwalking
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I agree that you need to see a Rheumy and get an official diagnosis and go from there. Why not do it while you have good insurance?

FM affects all of us differently. Some are still able to carry on fairly normal lives while others are completely disabled.

Here's some more explanations on the different types of FM

The Eight Subsets of the Fibromyalgia Spectrum Are:

1. Predisposed state

2. Prodromal [preceding] state

3. Undiagnosed Fibromyalgia

4. Regional Fibromyalgia

5. Generalized Fibromyalgia

6. Fibromyalgia with particular associated conditions

7. Fibromyalgia with coexisting mild disease

8. Secondary Fibromyalgia reactive to disease.

An individual can move up this spectrum from a lower numbered subset to a higher numbered subset, but once in a particular subset, she/he does not return to a lower numbered subset. One can achieve a remission, but stays in that subset. In other words, there is no going back.

Let's review the features of each subset.

Subset 1: Predisposed State The individual is asymptomatic. Clinical Fibromyalgia is not present in this state. The individual is at risk for developing Fibromyalgia due to hereditary factors, which may include one or both parents with Fibromyalgia or a rheumatic/connective tissue disease, or a sibling or first-degree relative with Fibromyalgia.

Subset 2: Prodromal State Prodromal means preceding, or the state leading to the condition. Clinical Fibromyalgia is still not present. There is no widespread pain or painful tender points. The individual is not asymptomatic, however. Associated conditions common with Fibromyalgia may be present in this stage, such as headaches, restless leg syndrome, fatigue, or irritable bowel syndrome. Pain may be present at times, but intermittently (not chronic, persistent pains). Even though the individual may have one or more associated condition(s), widespread persistent pain is not present, so therefore Fibromyalgia is not yet present. Typical Fibromyalgia pain must be present before we can diagnose clinical Fibromyalgia, no matter how many associated conditions may be present, but those who have numerous associated conditions are at risk.

Subset 3: Undiagnosed Fibromyalgia Chronic pain is now present, either regional or generalized in nature. This is the point of no return. The person has painful tender points which may or may not meet the American College of Rheumatology-defined 11 of 18 criteria. The person in this stage usually has milder symptoms and has not yet seen a doctor or been officially diagnosed with Fibromyalgia. If this individual were to see a knowledgeable physician, that diagnosis would be made.

Subset 4: Regional Fibromyalgia Individuals in this stage have been diagnosed with Fibromyalgia, but not generalized. Chronic pain is limited to one or a few areas such as the upper body or the low back. The symptoms may wax and wane. Usually, this subset is triggered by a trauma. I believe myofascial pain syndrome is part of this regional Fibromyalgia, and both terms are essentially synonymous. Myofascial pain syndrome has become familiar through the work of the late Dr. Janet Travell, MD, and Dr. David Simons, MD. Myofascial pain syndrome is defined by painful muscles and the presence of triggerpoints and taut bands of muscle fibers which are ropey and painful when palpated. An involuntary shortening of the fibrous muscle band can create a local twitch response. Some of those who work with myofascial pain syndrome will argue that it is a separate distinct entity from Fibromyalgia. I disagree. The similarities between myofascial pain syndrome and Fibromyalgia are far greater than their differences. They both have trigger points, tender points, ropey muscles, sympathetic nerve dysfunction, ATP abnormalities, peripheral and central mechanisms, regional and generalized versions, and associated conditions.

Sound familiar? The treatments are essentially the same. As our clinical experience has evolved and our knowledge and research have become more refined, I think it is clear that myofascial pain syndrome is a part of the overall Fibromyalgia spectrum. Individuals with regional Fibromyalgia, over time, often develop generalized Fibromyalgia. Or they can remain in this stage indefinitely. Identifying the regional stage early and treating it can definitely help to prevent progression.

Subset 5: Generalized Fibromyalgia Individuals in this stage have widespread pain and tender points. They will usually meet the American College of Rheumatology-defined 11 of 18 criteria, but as previously explained, one can still have generalized Fibromyalgia with fewer tender points. Various associated conditions seen with Fibromyalgia can be present sleep disorder, irritable bowel syndrome, depression, fatigue, and so on.

These associated conditions are not taking on a life of their own, so to speak, but are part of the whole and managed with the overall Fibromyalgia treatment. Regional Fibromyalgia can progress to this subset. Various causes of generalized Fibromyalgia include genetic factors, trauma, infections, and more, but secondary Fibromyalgia from a primary disease is not included in this subset.

Subset 6: Fibromyalgia with Particular Associated Conditions People in this group have developed associated conditions that are giving them particular problems which appear as separate entities requiring separate attention. Some of these particular associated conditions include irritable bowel syndrome, [Chronic Fatigue Syndrome], fatigue, tension/migraine headaches, and depression. None of these conditions in themselves have classic disease laboratory markers or cause tissue destruction, yet they may require treatments in addition to the overall Fibromyalgia treatment. Another associated condition is dysautonomia (dysfunction of the small nerves), which can cause abnormalities such as hypoglycemia [low blood sugar], hypotension [low blood pressure], cardiac arrhythmia, irritable bowel syndrome, and vascular headaches.

Subset 7: Fibromyalgia with Coexisting Disease Individuals in this category have a specific disease, and also have Fibromyalgia. The disease doesn’t necessarily cause Fibromyalgia, but can aggravate it if it’s already present. Examples of diseases that can be present and worsen the Fibromyalgia symptoms include: Hormonal problems (hypothyroidism, low estrogen, low growth hormone, and low cortisol) Infectious problems (yeast, parasite or viral infections). Low grade rheumatic or connective tissue disease (lupus, autoimmune disorders, dry eyes syndrome described by Dr. Don Goldenberg, MD, [Chief of Rheumatology at Newton-Wellesley Hospital and Professor of Medicine at Tufts University School of Medicine] may be part of a low grade Sjogren’s syndrome).

* Arthritic conditions (cervical spinal stenosis, osteoarthritis, osteoporosis, scoliosis). * Neurological conditions (multiple sclerosis, polio sequelae, neuropathy, head injury residuals). For example, people who have both diabetes and Fibromyalgia will often have more painful Fibromyalgia because the diabetes caused the nerves to be more sensitive. Diabetes is a common cause of neuropathy, or damage to the small nerves, which is painful in itself and even more so with Fibromyalgia. One needs to keep the diabetes under good control to help the pain. * Lung conditions. I see a number of people who have Fibromyalgia along with a lung problem such as emphysema, asthma, chronic bronchitis, or heavy tobacco use.

Cigarette smoking can increase Fibromyalgia pain. The nicotine in the smoke causes constriction of the blood vessels, decreasing blood flow, oxygen, and nutrients to the muscles, thereby increasing pain and spasms. Also, carbon monoxide in smoke enters the bloodstream and binds to the hemoglobin molecules in the blood. this blocks oxygen from binding to the hemoglobin, further decreasing oxygen availability to the muscles (and increasing pain). Stop smoking and your muscles will feel better!

These diseases exist concurrently with Fibromyalgia but probably do not cause it. Any of these diseases can progress from a mild to a more severe state, and Fibromyalgia worsens as the disease worsens. The physician determines if the disease is coexisting with and aggravating Fibromyalgia (subset 7), or if a disease caused the Fibromyalgia (subset 8).

Subset 8: Secondary Fibromyalgia Reactive to DiseaseIndividuals in this category have secondary Fibromyalgia. They have a primary disease (for example lupus, rheumatoid arthritis) - and Fibromyalgia developed as a result of this disease. People in this subset probably wouldn’t have Fibromyalgia if they never had the primary disease. The primary disease requires treatment, and Fibromyalgia may improve with this treatment.

However, the Fibromyalgia often requires its own treatment, and can continue to be a major problem even when the primary disease is treated or is in remission.

Overall - A Useful Explanatory Model I find that the Fibromyalgia spectrum provides a useful clinical model for me when evaluating and treating my patients. It helps me to organize them better! When I diagnose Fibromyalgia, I try to be as specific as possible about what the cause is and what subset it fits. This helps me to better explain Fibromyalgia to the patients and to individualize their treatment programs. Of course, if Ive diagnosed Fibromyalgia it would be subset 4 or greater. The patient wouldn’t be seeking a medical consultation for subsets 3, 2, or 1. If possible, I note the cause. Each subset can have flare-ups or remissions within it, and I note that as well, if appropriate. Subsets 1, 2, and 3 [predisposed state, prodromal state, undiagnosed Fibromyalgia] are useful in appreciating the progression of Fibromyalgia through the spectrum, and can be helpful when advising patients and family members who have specific concerns and questions.


09/06/2008 12:57 PM  Top
raynedae
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That was fascinating! Thanks for posting it.
rayn

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