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06/22/2008 06:46
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sleepwalking posted this information in a previous discussion...This is very interesting and valuable information, so thought I'd highlight the subsets in a separate post.

Thanks for posting this sleepwalking!

http://journals.aol.com/kmc528/Lifeasweknowit/entries/2007/ 08/26/dr.-pellegrino-and-dr.-yunus-on-fibromyalgia/1652

Subset 1: Predisposed State The individual is asymptomatic. Clinical Fibromyalgia is not present in this state. The individual is at risk for developing Fibromyalgia due to hereditary factors, which may include one or both parents with Fibromyalgia or a rheumatic/connective tissue disease, or a sibling or first-degree relative with Fibromyalgia.

Subset 2: Prodromal State Prodromal means preceding, or the state leading to the condition. Clinical Fibromyalgia is still not present. There is no widespread pain or painful tender points. The individual is not asymptomatic, however. Associated conditions common with Fibromyalgia may be present in this stage, such as headaches, restless leg syndrome, fatigue, or irritable bowel syndrome. Pain may be present at times, but intermittently (not chronic, persistent pains). Even though the individual may have one or more associated condition(s), widespread persistent pain is not present, so therefore Fibromyalgia is not yet present. Typical Fibromyalgia pain must be present before we can diagnose clinical Fibromyalgia, no matter how many associated conditions may be present, but those who have numerous associated conditions are at risk.

Subset 3: Undiagnosed Fibromyalgia Chronic pain is now present, either regional or generalized in nature. This is the point of no return. The person has painful tender points which may or may not meet the American College of Rheumatology-defined 11 of 18 criteria. The person in this stage usually has milder symptoms and has not yet seen a doctor or been officially diagnosed with Fibromyalgia. If this individual were to see a knowledgeable physician, that diagnosis would be made.

Subset 4: Regional Fibromyalgia Individuals in this stage have been diagnosed with Fibromyalgia, but not generalized. Chronic pain is limited to one or a few areas such as the upper body or the low back. The symptoms may wax and wane. Usually, this subset is triggered by a trauma. I believe myofascial pain syndrome is part of this regional Fibromyalgia, and both terms are essentially synonymous. Myofascial pain syndrome has become familiar through the work of the late Dr. Janet Travell, MD, and Dr. David Simons, MD. Myofascial pain syndrome is defined by painful muscles and the presence of triggerpoints and taut bands of muscle fibers which are ropey and painful when palpated. An involuntary shortening of the fibrous muscle band can create a local twitch response. Some of those who work with myofascial pain syndrome will argue that it is a separate distinct entity from Fibromyalgia. I disagree. The similarities between myofascial pain syndrome and Fibromyalgia are far greater than their differences. They both have trigger points, tender points, ropey muscles, sympathetic nerve dysfunction, ATP abnormalities, peripheral and central mechanisms, regional and generalized versions, and associated conditions. Sound familiar? The treatments are essentially the same. As our clinical experience has evolved and our knowledge and research have become more refined, I think it is clear that myofascial pain syndrome is a part of the overall Fibromyalgia spectrum. Individuals with regional Fibromyalgia, over time, often develop generalized Fibromyalgia. Or they can remain in this stage indefinitely. Identifying the regional stage early and treating it can definitely help to prevent progression.

Subset 5: Generalized Fibromyalgia Individuals in this stage have widespread pain and tender points. They will usually meet the American College of Rheumatology-defined 11 of 18 criteria, but as previously explained, one can still have generalized Fibromyalgia with fewer tender points. Various associated conditions seen with Fibromyalgia can be present sleep disorder, irritable bowel syndrome, depression, fatigue, and so on. These associated conditions are not taking on a life of their own, so to speak, but are part of the whole and managed with the overall Fibromyalgia treatment. Regional Fibromyalgia can progress to this subset. Various causes of generalized Fibromyalgia include genetic factors, trauma, infections, and more, but secondary Fibromyalgia from a primary disease is not included in this subset.

Subset 6: Fibromyalgia with Particular Associated Conditions People in this group have developed associated conditions that are giving them particular problems which appear as separate entities requiring separate attention. Some of these particular associated conditions include irritable bowel syndrome, [Chronic Fatigue Syndrome], fatigue, tension/migraine headaches, and depression. None of these conditions in themselves have classic disease laboratory markers or cause tissue destruction, yet they may require treatments in addition to the overall Fibromyalgia treatment. Another associated condition is dysautonomia (dysfunction of the small nerves), which can cause abnormalities such as hypoglycemia [low blood sugar], hypotension [low blood pressure], cardiac arrhythmia, irritable bowel syndrome, and vascular headaches.

Subset 7: Fibromyalgia with Coexisting Disease Individuals in this category have a specific disease, and also have Fibromyalgia. The disease doesn’t necessarily cause Fibromyalgia, but can aggravate it if it’s already present. Examples of diseases that can be present and worsen the Fibromyalgia symptoms include: Hormonal problems (hypothyroidism, low estrogen, low growth hormone, and low cortisol) Infectious problems (yeast, parasite or viral infections). Low grade rheumatic or connective tissue disease (lupus, autoimmune disorders, dry eyes syndrome described by Dr. Don Goldenberg, MD, [Chief of Rheumatology at Newton-Wellesley Hospital and Professor of Medicine at Tufts University School of Medicine] may be part of a low grade Sjogren’s syndrome). * Arthritic conditions (cervical spinal stenosis, osteoarthritis, osteoporosis, scoliosis). * Neurological conditions (multiple sclerosis, polio sequelae, neuropathy, head injury residuals). For example, people who have both diabetes and Fibromyalgia will often have more painful Fibromyalgia because the diabetes caused the nerves to be more sensitive. Diabetes is a common cause of neuropathy, or damage to the small nerves, which is painful in itself and even more so with Fibromyalgia. One needs to keep the diabetes under good control to help the pain. * Lung conditions. I see a number of people who have Fibromyalgia along with a lung problem such as emphysema, asthma, chronic bronchitis, or heavy tobacco use. Cigarette smoking can increase Fibromyalgia pain. The nicotine in the smoke causes constriction of the blood vessels, decreasing blood flow, oxygen, and nutrients to the muscles, thereby increasing pain and spasms. Also, carbon monoxide in smoke enters the bloodstream and binds to the hemoglobin molecules in the blood. this blocks oxygen from binding to the hemoglobin, further decreasing oxygen availability to the muscles (and increasing pain). Stop smoking and your muscles will feel better! These diseases exist concurrently with Fibromyalgia but probably do not cause it. Any of these diseases can progress from a mild to a more severe state, and Fibromyalgia worsens as the disease worsens. The physician determines if the disease is coexisting with and aggravating Fibromyalgia (subset 7), or if a disease caused the Fibromyalgia (subset 8).

Subset 8: Secondary Fibromyalgia Reactive to DiseaseIndividuals in this category have secondary Fibromyalgia. They have a primary disease (for example lupus, rheumatoid arthritis) - and Fibromyalgia developed as a result of this disease. People in this subset probably wouldn’t have Fibromyalgia if they never had the primary disease. The primary disease requires treatment, and Fibromyalgia may improve with this treatment. However, the Fibromyalgia often requires its own treatment, and can continue to be a major problem even when the primary disease is treated or is in remission.

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06/22/2008 07:09
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I am thinking this is just these two doctors opinions, correct? Because I think they are crazy!
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06/22/2008 07:30
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I don't think they are crazy, I feel that they may have hit on something that could help the whole medical field understand this illness and help develop a better course of treatment for those of us who are worse!


THIS is not all in my head, and NO I am not crazy!
the bra seems to be my mortal enemy, a weird 19th century torture device most obviously designed by a man!

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06/22/2008 07:32
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Yes, this particular article pertains to two doctors' evaluations and observations of their fibro patients. There are other articles listed in the previous discussion describing fibro subsets.

The reason I posted the information is it accurately describes the progression of my symptoms and other members according to their previous comments.

As with any research and articles surrounding fibro, I'm sure it varies.

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06/22/2008 09:17
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Thanks for reposting the information on it's own. I find the information very compelling.

I hope that more research will continue so that doctors can be educated in how to help us and stop the suffering.

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SW

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06/22/2008 11:13
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The whole problem with fibro is that it affects everyone differently. Therefore it would be very difficult for the medical world to come up with a treatment plan for fibromyalgia patients, or even medications because of the differences we all feel. If you notice, most of the medications we all take are either pain medications, anti-depressants, muscle relaxers and mood stabilizers. That is because there are no medications that are going to fix our fibro. We can only have our symptoms treated.
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06/22/2008 13:11
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I would like to remain hopeful that one day a definitive treatment or cure will be discovered for fibromyalgia. Almost every condition/disease (smallpox and polio for example), baffled doctors for a long time until research identified successful prevention and treatment. I have accepted my current condition, but will remain open-minded with regard to feedback and research, as the future holds boundless opportunities.
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