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02/17/2012 12:03 PM
Beached
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There's a new study out of Belgium that may help with CFS/FMS diagnosis and treatment! It examines the ratio of Th1 and Th2 lymphocites in urine [those are "T helper" cells]. We fall in the group of those with high Th2 cells, so it's won't be specific enough to actually diagnose our syndromes as separate from some others, but it will show proof of being in an active disease state. Plus ultimately it can be available as a pretty simple color-based test.

The part we're most interested in is that they tested almost 500 CFS/ME patients to see what colors their urine showed. 18-24% were neutral, 39-41% were moderate, and 35-43% were "far" Th2. I interpret that to mean that less than a quarter would show up as a false negative in terms of proving illness. Since researchers have been slow to determine what the subsets are, that group may have a different disease pathway not related to T helper cells.

The other good news is that only 3% of healthy controls showed any moderate color change, and only 1% showed the far range. So normal folks basically do not experience this T helper cell problem.

The test can be repeated frequently to see how effectively different treatments are working for the patients, and which treatments might fall into categories they should try. Note that Th2 is involved in humoral immunity (noncellular components of blood such as plasma & lymph) as well as mucosal immunity and allergy. Hopefully this will lead to more research exploring the lymph and allergy problems so many of us are plagued with.

http://www.prohealth.com/library/showarticle.cfm? libid=16823

http://www.academicjournals.org/JMLD/PDF/pdf%202012/Feb/ Roelant%20and%20%20De%20Meirleir.pdf

Post edited by: Beached, at: 02/17/2012 12:13 PM

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02/17/2012 08:21 PM  Top
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Beached,

This is wonderful news! Some way to shut up the doubters and callous people we've all had to deal with at some time.

Any word when this will hit the states and will labs add it to their forms or is it going to be off the grid and we'll have to pay for it ourselves.

Can you tell me what is the connection between 'P' cells and 'T' cells? If there is any...

You'll have to share some of your sources whith me when I get to feeling better. I love this kind of info. So grateful to you.

hugs, heather

Post edited by: hedap, at: 02/17/2012 08:22 PM

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02/18/2012 03:31 PM  Top
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Hi Heather,

A good place to connect with ongoing CFS/FMS research and news is at ProHealth.com. Rich Carson, the founder, has CFS himself IIRC and he wanted to provide supplements to the community that he thought were worthwhile as well as donating a percentage of sales back to foundations.

As far as the Belgian study, others probably have to replicate their data and findings before this concept is widely accepted. If you read the academic study, they have photos of the steps to do the urine test, but I have no idea how available it actually is for patients at this point in time. But hey, a whole lot easier than having a spinal tap, right? Sad

Honestly, I do hope the back-up studies move along quickly because this is easy to administer and causes no pain to the patient, while providing a wealth of info on their health status.

Go Belgians! Kissing

Sher

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02/18/2012 03:45 PM  Top
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Heather,

I just did a quick search for P-cells and found they are neurons in the thalamus. Their full name is Parvocellular cells and they seem to have some function in visual imaging.

T cells are part of the lymph system, and like macrophages and NK [Natural Killer] cells, work to fight off infections and other negative invaders like cancers. The Belgian study examines Th cells or T helper cells.

Hope that helps.

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02/18/2012 04:55 PM  Top
hedap
 
Posts: 2009
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Thanks for the info. I always love to hear that there's hope on the horizon.

hugs, heather

Savella 50 mg 2x daily
Lortab 10's 4x day
Tramadol 50 mg 4x day
Nuvigil 123 mg day
Klonopin o.5 mg 4 doses daily
Aplenzin 348 mg 2x day
Abilify 5 mg day
Lamictal 50 mg 2x day

Misc.
Levothyroxine 150 mcg 1x day
Vitamin D 50000 IU's 1x weekly
Pravastatin 10 mg day

11/04/2012 09:35 AM  Top
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Thanks for this info. I've just been diagnosed and already tired of hearing, "FM is a catch-all diagnosis for something that can't be diagnosed"! Maybe there is better treatment course in our future. That would be great!!!!

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