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04/20/2012 05:34 PM
mem7697

I found that in some arguments with my ex that i would get so frustrated that i would end up throwing stuff at the wall sometimes.Does this make me abusive?Has anybody else here done this?
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04/20/2012 05:43 PM  Top
Meg1129
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You have to realize that there is a huge difference between reacting and acting. It's the same thing as the difference between murder and self-defense. Abusiveness is a pattern. If you were throwing things at him every day, then yes, you would be abusive. If not, then no.

04/20/2012 05:53 PM  Top
mem7697

God no and i never threw anything at him,just stuff at the wall out of frustration with whatever argument was at hand.It happened more than once.And i always made sure that nothing ever hit him or that that he wasn't at risk of getting hit by anything.It was out of sheer frustration at these situations that i found myself in that i was not used to and that i should not have been in and certainly did not want to be in.

04/20/2012 07:36 PM  Top
Meg1129
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From "Why Does He Do That? Inside the Minds of Angry and Controlling Men" by Lundy Bancroft.

"An abuser's behavior is primarily conscious- he acts deliberately rather than by accident or by losing control of himself- but the underlying thinking that drives his behavior is largely not conscious.

When Is It Abuse?

There is a difference between having a bad day and being a jerk and a pattern that adds up to something more serious. Behaviors such as name calling, interrupting and acting selfish and insensitive are hurtful and worthy of criticism but they aren't all abuse, except when they are part of a pattern of abuse. Abuse is about power, it means that a person is taking advantage of a power imbalance to exploit or control someone else.

The lines where subtler kinds of mistreatment end and abuse begins include the following actions:

He retaliates against you for complaining about his behavior- repeating behaviors he knows you dislike, switching into the role of the victim, ridiculing you for complaining of mistreatment. He doesn't believe tha tyou have the right to defy him.

He tells you that your objections to his mistreatment are your own problem- says you are too sensitive, you think everyone is abusing you, you're angry because you are not getting your own way. He is trying to persuade you that you have unreasonable expectations of his behavior, that you are actually reacting to something else and that you are using your complaints against him. These tactics are to discredit your complaints of mistreatment, which is abusive. His core attitude is "you have no right to object to how I treat you".

He gives apologies that sound insincere or angry, and he demands you accept them. He feels entitled to forgiveness and demands it.

He blames you for the impact of his behavior- For example, if she is mistrustful of him because of his mistreatment of her, he says that her lack of trust is causing her to percieve him as abusive, reversing cause and effect in a mind-twisting way. If your partner criticizes or puts you down for being badly affected by his mistreatment, that is abuse.

It's never the right time, or the right way, to bring things up- Initial defensiveness is comon even in nonabusive people. With an abuser however, even time after an argument to cool off doesn't help. In fact, the time between arguments may be used to build a case against you.

He undermines your progress in life- he tells you that you are incompetent at something you enjoy, causes you to lose a job or drop out of school, takes advantage of you financially and ruins your economic security, causes damage to your relationships with friends and family.

He denies what he did- denying actions such as name calling or pounding his fist on the table

Justifies hurtful or frightening acts or says you "made him do it"- He may tell you he can yell because you're not listening to him or says he will stop one form of abuse if you stop doing something that bothers him, which often will be something you have every right to do.

He touches you in anner or puts you in fear in other ways- even if it only happens once, physical aggression is abuse. If he raises a fist, punches a hole in the wall, throws things at you, blocks your way, restrains you, grabs you, pushes, pokes or threatens to hurt you, that is physical abuse. He is creating fear and using your need for safety to control you. Call a hotline as soon as possible if any of these things happens to you. Physical abuse is dangerous. Once it starts in a relationship, it can escalate over time to more serious assaults. Any form of physical initimidation is highly upsetting to children who are exposed to it.

He coerces you into having sex or sexually assaults you- sexual assault or chronic sexual pressure is abuse.

His controlling, disrespectful or degrading behavior is a pattern- wil you will need to form your own conclusions about whether your partner's mistreatment of you has become repetitive.

You show signs of being abused- are you afraid of him? Are you getting distant from friends and family? Is your level of energy and motivation declining, do you feel depressed? Is your self-opinion declining? Do you find yourself constantly preoccupied with the relationship and how to fix it? Do you feel like you can't do anything right?

Control Tactics in Arguments

Sarcasm

Ridicule

Distorting what happened in an earlier interaction

Sulking

Accusing you of doing what he does, or thinking the way he thinks

Using a tone of absolute authority

Interrupting

Not listening, refusing to respond

Laughing out loud at your opinion or perspective

Turning your grievances around to use against you

Changing the subject to his grievances

Criticism that is harsh, undeserved or frequent

Provoking guilt

Playing the victim

Smirking, rolling his eyes, contemptuous facial expressions

Yelling, out-shouting

Swearing

Name calling, insults, put downs

Walking out

Towering over you

Walking towards you in an intimidating way

Blocking a doorway

Physical intimidation, such as getting too close when angry

Threatening to leave or harm you"

http://www.hipmama.com/node/17513

Post edited by: Meg1129, at: 04/20/2012 07:38 PM


04/24/2012 05:13 PM  Top
CindyLou041
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My EA does each of these Sad

04/24/2012 05:30 PM  Top
Schefflera
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No matter how much I read about abuse, I'm still amazed at how much it still affects me to read things like this and realize just how much I was being abused. "You have no right to object to how I treat you" is the base of my relationship with my father growing up for certain. He has used most of the tactics on the list too aside from the physical ones. I suspect though if I still lived nearby he would have escalated to a physical abuse eventually, just as his verbal abuse escalated and changed when I finally stood up to him over the phone. It continues to amaze me, really. Thanks for posting this Meg.

Previous discussions I participated in:
Something from Bancroft's book
Incapacitated
Controlling?

04/25/2012 09:02 AM  Top
LifeAwaits
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Me, too Scheff. When he would do all of those things, I knew if I sat there and took it and waited for it to be over, I could calmly explain to him what I was saying and he would want to listen to me. I just had to wait it out and find the right time to tell him how I felt. After all, he was my husband and told me every day how much he loved me so of course he wanted to know how he hurt me.

05/01/2012 04:08 PM  Top
mem7697

Any more feedback guys?Was this abuse on my part?I don't feel that it was.It was just something that i did out of frustration at the given situation that i was in or out of not being able to communicate with him.

05/01/2012 04:16 PM  Top
LifeAwaits
LifeAwaits
 
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Again, it is about your intention. Anytime you question your actions, ask yourself, "What were my intentions?"

If you got to the point of throwing things against the wall, then my guess is that you intended to get his attention so he would understand what you were saying.


05/01/2012 04:20 PM  Top
mem7697

It was out of sheer frustration ,possibly to say "hear me" or "listen to me" or "how am i in this situation?" or possibly "stop!".
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