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06/08/2011 07:43 PM
Anonym
Posts: 14
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Hi everyone,

I'm new here and wish I could share my story with you. However, I fear my soon-to-be ex finding this (can't stand to call him my husband) and somehow use it against me. Very briefly, I've been married for a few years to an extremely intelligent and emotionally abusive man. Several weeks ago I moved out while he was at work and had him served with divorce papers that day. We have no shared assets and my lawyer says this should be an easy divorce because of it. But my ex is trying to hurt me in the process anyways. None of his behavior is really a surprise to me because I've seen him behave this way to people he doesn't like at his job. You're either with him or against him. If you're against him, he wants to destroy you (not physically).

My question is, did he ever actually love me in the first place? I can understand him being hurt and angry about me leaving, but I can't reconcile the idea that he could switch from love to hatred so quickly. There were so many times when I wanted to ask him shy he married me since I constantly pissed him off so easily.

Any thoughts?

Thanks.

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06/08/2011 08:03 PM  Top
Meg1129
Meg1129Posts: 11221
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Hi and welcome to our group! I am so sorry for all you have been through, but am glad to hear that you have left. Here we strongly believe that knowledge is power and I encourage you to read our group bible, "Why Does He Do That? Inside the Minds of Angry and Controlling Men" by Lundy Bancroft. Bancroft has worked with thousands of abusers for nearly 20 years and really knows how they think and what motivates them. I've put a link below to his book on Amazon where you can read reviews of it, but you can get it at any bookstore or even the public library. If your library doesn't have it, ask if they can get it for you via inter-library loan.

http://www.amazon.com/Why-Does-He-That-Controlling/dp/ 0425191656/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1307588393&sr=1-1

According to Bancroft, abusers do feel a powerful stirring that they call love, but it isn't really love. If it were, they wouldn't be abusers because you wouldn't treat someone you love abusively.

On our forum, we have a thread entitled "Lundy Bancroft on YouTube", which is an 8 part series (15 minutes for each part) of a lecture Bancroft gave recently. In that lecture, he explains that when an abuser says he loves you, what he is really saying is that he loves what you can do for him or what he perceives you can do for him. It's like you saying that you love your new car or your washer and dryer. He doesn't love you as a person though.

Additionally, a lot of abusers see their spouses and children as possessions and in that regard, leaving him would make him very angry ... the same as if you took his car away from him. Now he is without your services in bed, around the house and as a wage earner (assuming you worked) and to top it all off, he lost control of you, which they absolutely HATE.

Finally, many abusers have the attitude that "it's not over until I say it's over." Once again, it's all about control.

Post edited by: Meg1129, at: 06/08/2011 08:07 PM


06/09/2011 09:45 AM  Top
Starling789
Starling789Posts: 13
New Member

I wish that I had some insight for you, but i feel like I could have written your post. I just left my husband last week and I too left while he was at work and had him served with divorce papers. I have overwhelming sadness and feelings of guilt. I guess I just wanted to let you know you aren't alone.

Previous discussions I participated in:
Grieving a Relationship

06/09/2011 09:53 AM  Top
Izzy87
Izzy87
 
Posts: 2723
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Meg is right...their idea of love is not what we think of as love. Their idea of love is a strong desire for all the things you can do for them, and SHOULD do for them. Even if you asked him why he had married you, he would probably go on a tirade about how much you had "changed" and hurt him and disappointed him. He would go off on all the things YOU had done wrong to him. You wouldn't hear anything resembling real accountability for his own actions. He just does not live in that reality. I am sorry.
I am not a doctor or therapist, just a person who cares.

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was i right?
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Fetal movement

06/09/2011 10:44 AM  Top
Lanna
Lanna
 
Posts: 1904
Senior Member

An abusers idea of "love" is someone they can control.The do not love you as a person.They love the fact that they can control you and exploit you.

Lanna


06/09/2011 07:07 PM  Top
Anonym
Posts: 14
New Member

Thank you all. Everything you've said is ringing true. I've ordered the book and am waiting for it to arrive.

Starling, I felt guilty the first time I tried to leave. I went back to him with the agreement that we would get counselling. His abuse immediately got worse. I noticed he was very secretive with his computer a couple of weeks later and snuck on after he left for work. Instead of finding a cousellor as promised, he'd been looking for a lawyer. He even boasted to someone in an e-mail about how he was going to get back at me for what I did to him. He also signed up for a couple of dating sites within hours of me leaving. It made me feel disposable. I guess what I'm saying is don't feel guilty because he's most likely not doing anything worthy of it.


06/10/2011 07:28 PM  Top
nolongertrapped
nolongertrapped
 
Posts: 844
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Hey Anonym,

I left my abuser 6 months ago. I too felt very guilty about leaving him. I had a infant child who had just turned one, and he had an older daughter that I had taken care for almost three years when I finally decided to leave.

The longer I stayed away, the less guilty I felt. The more he tried to prove to me that he had changed, the more I wanted to stay away.

He hadn't really changed at all, he just thought he had. But he still treated his mother like crap, to the extent where she was kicking him out regardless of whether he had a place to live or not.

Even after he swore he had changed, we had a fight one day when our children were with us, and it was all over getting lost trying to find a restraunt to go eat at. He verbally abused me in front of the children, spat in my face which pissed me off so bad that I went to slap him. I realized I was about to and I stopped and he kept screaming that he could have me in "JAIL" for assaulting him. He verbally abused me at the restraunt in front of the children. A random lady stood up and told him to stop and that it wasn't appropriate for us to be arguing in front of the children. He told her to go sit down. When she did, he raised his voice at me and asked me if I felt vindicated and better now that the "fat bitch" came over to stand up for me.

All this time, he was getting angrier and angrier with me because I wouldn't respond to him. I could barely look at him. How dare he tell me he has changed and then think its even remotely okay to treat me the way he was treating me. I felt so bad for that lady too, she was sitting right behind him with her daughter who looked slightly older than Jenny's age. And her daughter had to hear him call her mother a fat bitch.

After we left the restraunt, Jon had a panic attack and started jumping out of the vehicle while I was driving him home from the restraunt on the highway with our girls in the back seat. His older daughter saw the whole thing and was traumatized by it.

The point to my story is, do not for one second feel guilty about leaving. Just because he can't see that he has a problem doesn't mean that he doesn't have a problem. It certainly doesn't mean that you have to stay with him and put up with him just because he "thinks" he is in love with you either.

You can't live your life for someone else. I mean I guess you can, but there really isn't a point unless you are in love with them yourself.

By the sounds of the way this guy was treating you, he by no means deserves your love. And if he swears up and down how much he loves you, he should be asking himself why in gods name should "YOU" be in love with "HIM".

Jon was devestated when I left him too. You know why? Because he no longer got to live at my home for free. He no longer got nightly back massages. He no longer had someone to take his daughter to school for him in the morning. He no longer had someone to do his laundry. He no longer had someone to cook a full course meal every night. He no longer had someone that he could make feel worse than himself.

I'm really not sure what it was, but for some reason he had a very low self esteem...probably cause he hasn't had his drivers license in 8 years, he still has warrants out for his arrest, he can't save any money because he was spending it all on drugs and material possessions that only clutter our house.

The point is, even the ones that do have something going right in their life are abusive because they can't see any thing positive in their life. They only see the negative. Even you, some one they supposedly "love", is responsible for everything that goes wrong in their life.

You are not guilty. You'll learn over time, especially when you start to really get your life back, how much better off you are with out him, and you'll be praying for the next girl he gets together with and debate on whether or not you should tell her the truth before she gets too involved with him.

good luck to you, let us know how it goes.

"Well behaved women rarely make history!"

06/12/2011 01:36 PM  Top
Juss2be
Juss2be
 
Posts: 622
Member

oh that reminds me I got a letter in the mail a couple of months ago for him from the county, I saw warrant but I have no idea what for, I put return to sender not my problem right.

06/12/2011 01:44 PM  Top
Meg1129
Meg1129Posts: 11221
Group Leader

"Not my problem" ... that feels so good, doesn't it? Although it would have taken every ounce of strength I possess not to try to find out what was inside! lol

06/12/2011 06:24 PM  Top
shelley67
shelley67
 
Posts: 982
Member

Guilt is also something that abusers don't have. They can't because to them they never do anything wrong, they are not abusers in their eyes. Or so they say anyway. And they say we are all crazy for saying that they are abusers! Something that would always push my buttons would be my husband asking me if I took my medication whenever I called him out on his abusive tactics! Using my medication for depression which I took to cope with his ass in the first place, and then imply that I need to take it since I'm acting crazy calling him out on what he just did to me or one of the kids! I wanted to skin him alive!!
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