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04/27/2008 22:21
BillBP

Thanks callme2crazy for not getting mad at my earlier post. I really do appreciate it. I understand the concept of what your saying especially the fact that it is 100% natural and not chemically made like our meds. The problem is the side effects. Yes our pills have side effects too. But not the compounding effects like pot. Lungs destroyed, memory destroyed, over prolonged use nerves,blood pressure,circulation,heart,etc.

There are legal pot pills called Marinol that is given to aids patients in California that give very little high but gives the hunger feeling so the patients will eat more. The problem is very few stop at a little. If someone honestly believes that they can't get through the day without taking a few hits, I'm sorry. It is just an excuse to get high. Every bit as much of an excuse as when I though I couldn't watch a concert without being stoned. Or holy cow...do you realize how awesome spongebob squarepants is when you brain is flipity flop? Heck- even Milli Vanilli kicks butt listening to when your high. The problem is that theres always a reason. But it never solves anything. Heck 22 years using and I'm worse of than when I started. Why? Because my life was only on pause. Nothing solved, nothing fixed. Sorry I'm beginning to sound like a jerk. Just for me and everybody I ever knew that used are either in the same place mentally today as when they started, or really hoping they can move on up to that trailer that is at least a whopping 450 square feet.

Thanks though for not attacking me for my opinions.

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04/27/2008 22:30
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great great stuff

i dunno what to say yet but im liking all the opinions

i do know one thing

maybe not for bi-polar but marijuana does save lives

if you dont know this you should read

cancer/aids/ms : beats that man made crap that make you have other problems

also hemp is a 300billion dollar a yr industry if it would just be legal

fuel,food,medicine,clothing,fiber

marijuana could save this planet

not the high. the plant itself

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04/27/2008 22:35
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not to sound rude or mean bill but thats not the pot, you blame the pot..

thats you

i know alot of very smart people who use medical marijuana and hold great jobs and have wonderful family's. pot doesn't make the person.. you make the person.. you do sound like your angry at something.. i dunno why. if you smoked a joint you wouldn't be angry

lol anyways

i cant blame pot for my problems even though alot of people tell me pot is my problem, if they took an hour to get to know me they'd understand pot didnt make me the person i am today, i was like this along time before pot.

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04/27/2008 22:40
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Actually pot eventauuly kills. It doesn't save lives. The only ones that ever say that are the pot heads that smoke it.

Oh as for smoking pot when you have cancer...you still have the cancer when the high fades. Aids-guess what-doesn't dissappear because you smoked a joint.

And if you really think marijuana could save the planet, then why is Jamaica in such horrible shape. It grows there like..uh..well..weeds. And if I ever visited a more screwed up country-I would of had to been stoned because I can't remember it.

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04/27/2008 22:54
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pot isnt all about smoking ..

many people eat it, use oils for pains, pills for pain..

i am one of those, i do smoke it but i also vaporize it and eat it

it isnt something i just do to get high

it is something that helps me eat, sleep, sometimes it even helps just get things done around the house, believe it or not pot isnt all bad like u & other keep thinking. but opinions are good. everyone is entitled to there own opinion, just b/c pot didnt work for you i wouldnt put it down for others though. so if Norco or your cancer meds didnt work same thing, it might not work for all but it works for some, i have far less side effects from pot then my norcos

you think its bad, then it is.. cool

aint gonna stop me from educating people on its goods

Jamaica?

its the world thats in bad shape, not jamaica

people are so evil

i wish u luck in whatever works for u bill

Marijuana 101: The plant and its components

Marijuana refers to the dried flowers, leaves, stems and seeds of the Cannabis sativa plant. These parts contain the compounds that produce the mind-altering effect that recreational users seek when smoking or ingesting the plant — but they also provide components with potential medical benefits.

Marijuana contains at least 60 chemicals called cannabinoids. Researchers are evaluating how effective some of these cannabinoids might be in controlling symptoms of certain medical conditions. For example:

* THC. An abbreviation for delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol, THC is the main component responsible for marijuana's mind-altering effect. It also may help treat signs and symptoms such as nausea and vomiting that are associated with a number of medical conditions.

* Cannabinol and cannabidiol. These compounds have some of the properties of THC, but cause less psychoactive effects — the high.

* Dronabinol (Marinol). Dronabinol (dro-NAB-in-ol) is a man-made version of THC available by prescription. It's used to prevent nausea and vomiting after cancer chemotherapy when other medicines for these side effects don't work, and to increase appetite in people with AIDS.

How it works

When smoked or ingested, THC and other cannabinoids in marijuana attach to two types of receptors on cells in your body — like keys in a lock — affecting the cells, once attached.

CB1 is one such receptor. CB1 receptors are found mainly in your brain, especially in areas that control body movement, memory and vomiting. This helps explain why marijuana use affects balance and coordination and impairs short-term memory and learning, and why it can be useful in treating nausea, pain and loss of appetite.

The other type of receptor, CB2, is found in small numbers elsewhere in your body, mainly in tissue of the immune system, such as your spleen and lymph nodes. The function of these receptors is not well understood. They may serve as brakes on immune system function, which may help explain why marijuana suppresses your immune system.

After you smoke marijuana, its ingredients reach their peak levels in your body within minutes, and effects can last up to an hour and a half. When eaten — the plant is sometimes mixed with food — the ingredients can take several hours to reach their peak levels in your body, and their effects may last for hours.

The prescription drug dronabinol, which is taken as an oral capsule, takes effect in about 30 minutes and can continue to stimulate appetite for more than a day.

Possible medical uses

Scientists studying marijuana's potential medical uses have found that it may help treat a variety of conditions.

Nausea

One of THC's medical uses best supported by research is the treatment of nausea. It can improve mild to moderate nausea caused by cancer chemotherapy and help reduce nausea and weight loss in people with AIDS.

Younger people may find marijuana more useful as a treatment for nausea than do older people — who may not tolerate its mind-altering side effects as well. The prescription form, dronabinol, also may produce psychological side effects that make it inappropriate for some older people. Doctors generally prescribe several kinds of newer anti-nausea drugs with fewer side effects before resorting to dronabinol.

Glaucoma

This disease — the third-leading cause of blindness in the United States — is marked by increased pressure in the eyeball, which can lead to vision loss.

In the early 1970s, scientists discovered that smoking marijuana reduced pressure in the eyes. Exactly how the cannabinoids in marijuana produce this effect isn't known. Scientists have discovered CB1 receptors in the eyes, which may provide clues for future research on how marijuana affects glaucoma.

Your doctor can prescribe other medications to treat glaucoma, but these can lose their effectiveness over time. Researchers are working to develop medications containing cannabinoids that can be put directly on the eyes — to avoid the mind-altering side effects and other health consequences of smoking the plant.

Pain

People widely used marijuana for pain relief in the 1800s, and several studies have found that cannabinoids have analgesic effects. In fact, THC may work as well in treating cancer pain as codeine, a mild pain reliever. Cannabinoids also appear to enhance the effects of opiate pain medications to provide pain relief at lower dosages.

Researchers currently are developing new medications based on cannabis to treat pain.

Multiple sclerosis

Research results on the effectiveness of cannabinoids in the treatment of the tremors, muscle spasms and pain of multiple sclerosis (MS) — a disease of the nervous system that can cause muscle pain — are mixed. A 2003 study found that cannabinoids significantly reduced pain in people with multiple sclerosis.

Some scientists feel that more research may show cannabinoids useful in treating MS. Marijuana may protect nerves from the kind of damage that occurs during the disease. They also suggest that animal study results, knowledge of CB1 receptors in the brain and users' reports of decreased symptoms after using marijuana support this possibility. However, others advise caution in using marijuana to treat MS, given the modest therapeutic effects cannabinoids have demonstrated so far and the potential of long-term adverse side effects.

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* HIV/AIDS

* Chemotherapy nausea and vomiting: Prevention is best defense

* Glaucoma

* Multiple sclerosis

Not without risks

Though some doctors and patients suggest marijuana has a legitimate use, the United States government disagrees. Federal law recognizes marijuana as a Schedule I drug, which classifies it as one of "the most dangerous drugs that have no recognized medical use." If law-enforcement officers find you with the drug in your possession, the penalty can range from a small fine to a prison sentence.

Along with the legal implications, smoking marijuana poses several health risks, including:

* Impairment of thinking, problem-solving skills and memory

* Reduced balance and coordination

* Increased risk of heart attack

* Heightened risk of chronic cough and respiratory infections

* Potential for hallucinations and withdrawal symptoms

Also, marijuana smoke contains 50 percent to 70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than does tobacco smoke and has the potential to cause cancer of the lungs and respiratory tract. Marijuana smoke is commonly inhaled deeper and held longer than is tobacco smoke, increasing the lungs' exposure to carcinogens.

These risks should be taken into account when considering the use of marijuana for medical purposes. If you are experiencing uncomfortable symptoms or side effects of medical treatment, especially pain and nausea, talk to your doctor about all your options before trying marijuana.

Why Lie, When you Can Just Be Honest
lying takes 100 heart beats
telling the truth takes 2
if you lie now they will find out later and things will be worse then ever so just tell the truth now and deal with it

HG
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04/27/2008 22:57
BillBP

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I get it. You like pot.
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04/27/2008 22:59
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not so much that i like it b/c honestly i get tired of it to

if only bp meds would work in 2 mins

you know the feelings when u wanna let go and go nuts

bp meds/pills wont help for that..you take a pill, wait 2 weeks, id be dead... pot helps me instantly.. if there was such a med that does the trick in 2 mins lemme know, id be willing to try it if its legal of course

Why Lie, When you Can Just Be Honest
lying takes 100 heart beats
telling the truth takes 2
if you lie now they will find out later and things will be worse then ever so just tell the truth now and deal with it

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04/27/2008 23:02
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BillBp we have gotten into this discussion in this forum on previous occasions and the threads have gotten very out of control. If we don't all feel comfortable in this thread we should close it or have a conversation that is as rational as possible for us with BP. I want to state again that I appreciate your opinion as well as those of others.

Being a user in the past I am always interested in the experience of others and it sounds like for you it was unproductive both in your treatment and personal affairs. And I have know plenty of drop outs in the last 30 years of my life. I have also know many people from every background, doctors, lawyers, little old ladies, you name it, who have smoked and functioned 99.9% normal. No one who knew me, even my mother!, knew that I was a smoker unless I told them. I never got the classic stoner face/eyes so I guess that helped. But, again, I never smoked to get high when using medicinally, so my intake was very small. I didn't roll or use a bong, I used a bat, some call them one hitters and took 2-3 drags at most of very mild stuff.

Anyway, lets keep things friendly here and remember no one is trying to stomp on the feelings of anyone else. It is ok to have strong opinions but our BP brains and the impersonality of non verbal communication can really throw us off.

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04/27/2008 23:04
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yes thank you dee

sometimes i have a hard time with the way i say things

i didnt mean anything against you bill

we all got problems, i dont hate you or dis-like you b/c of your opinion

its all good

i just hope you find happiness in whatever your med is if any

and thanx dee for your help, you type it so good, i wish i could write better

Why Lie, When you Can Just Be Honest
lying takes 100 heart beats
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if you lie now they will find out later and things will be worse then ever so just tell the truth now and deal with it

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04/27/2008 23:09
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I would give my right arm to find a med that works like pot with a sustained release and no high.
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