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03/13/2008 09:29
cappymuir
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Here we are focus on the bipolar being the issue of the problem, well hate to say it, bipolar has nothing to do with the problem if the two people choose not to work it out. The other partner has just as much credibility in the relationship. I know in the past when I was on spending spress and could not keep my checkbook out of the read, yeah bipolar had to deal with that. Bipolar does not trap me, what trapps me is the lack of understanding other people in my family has and not willing to learn how to relate to me with posive responses. My other partner throws his anger around everywhere he goes. He says things that are not appropriate in public and private. He is verbally abusive and vendictive. He holds grudges for all enternity. I am the complete opposite and can't understand how he can get made more that me over something I am deling with and hate that person or thing when I don't. He also loves the word hate. He likes to tell me that I hate him because he knows that word is a trigger for me. he tells me that I hate his mom too. I keep on telling him that it is not hate, it is a dislike of the things you both do to me. The way I feel after you both make nasty comments to me. The way you both treat me like a child that can't even make the simplest decisions in my life. The way you both blame me for things that are obviously impossible for me to be involved in. Like his checking account, I have no access to it but somehow I bounce checks and steal money. Do to my physical disease, I can't handle movement that is continuous in bed and I go onto the coach. This is because I hurt, but in his opinion it is because I don't want to sleep with him anymore.

You are right that we need to make decisions that are right for our physical and mental stability. If divorce is the answer and you can whole heartily say that you gave your best, then you make the right decision on the course you choose. I really don't believe in divorce but will use it to keep me safe.

Couseling only works if both parties participate and are willing together to make changes, not just one party.

I come from a background of abuse from age 5 that I can remember. Being so, I have been many situations that has lead me down paths that most people would not believe. I know that my BP has created some of the things I went through when I was younger not getting the right type of help. I wish I knew what wa wrong then. Maybe if my real dad had told me and stop denying his BP I would have been more able to cope too. Even knowing that another prson has the same problems and seeing how it affects them personally does not mean thaat I can take his or her BP calmly either. I just keep in the back of my mind that he is having a BP moment and try to keep calm,knowing that it really is not directed at me.

Now sayingthat, my other partner says it is not an excuse for my father to be wanting things done now. I keep on trying to say that he only thinks in the noiw, he can't plan ahead, not to let it bother you. It gets us in fights and I then feel like he is never going to cope with my BP. He has no clue what is happening on a daily basis in my head and how I try to shut out things by keeping busy,so that I don't focus on the things that hurt me, especially him. N

I think that I have release some of my stress for the day and I have to go to work right now. I hope this helps someone else with understanding. cappy

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03/13/2008 11:41
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Bipolar Sympatico?

Hey Y'all,

This has been an interesting thread, for several reasons.

The main reason...?

Northpolar opened the thread with an observation: [paraphrasing] I can see that the spouse and family members of a person with bipolar tend themslves, over time, to show some of the symptoms of their bipolar loved one.

There was also a question implicit in Northpolar's original post: [paraphrasing] Has anyone else seen the same thing?

The topic therefore invites opinions as to whether, by association, other members in a relationship may acquire symptoms of their loved one's disease. In other words, "What do you think?"

Research begins with "I observed something that I can't explain", and research continues with a consensus based on the question, "Have you observed it too?" Then the investigation begins. In this case the consensus of this thread seems to be that friends, family, and S/O's tend themselves to acquire symptoms of their bipolar loved one.

Well there is some research going on that is attempting to explain this topic.

The area of research is a subject called neuroplasticity.

Something made of plastic has the capacity to be bent, stretched, and re-formed. Neuroplasticity refers to the ability of the brain to "bend, stretch, or re-form" it's own structure and function according to the demands of our physical bodies and according to the demands of our environment.

All the information on neuroplasticity, neural plasticity/neuronal plasticity, is still very clinical and VERY technical reading. I suggest the search terms "neuroplasticity" and "neuroplasticity environment" for starters, if you care to study it.

Behavioral sciences have recognized for a long time that there is a "missing link", if you will, in the treatment of bipolar disease and other mood affective diseases--a link as it happens between psychiatry and neurology--neuroplasticity; but it is only recently that neurologists have had the technology to study the link.

Ironically, one of the PBS stations aired a program yesterday about neuroplasticity.

The program gave an example.

As people age, they tend to have difficulty maintaining their balance while walking. As a result they tend to focus on their feet and foot movement, and they tend therefore to ignore the horizon and the surrounding environment. Focusing on the ground limits their visual perspective and deprives them of the "input" which their brains had always required to maintain balance. By focusing on the ground, they are "re-training" their brain and requiring their brain to rely on one point of reference, instead of many--a process which tends to make their balance WORSE, not better!

The point the program made is that responding negatively to a negative influence in the environment, and thereafter focusing on the negative, diminishes our brain's capacity to adapt to change. Thus we add to the negative circumstance with our own negative perspective, and our neural network stops the process of re-forming--a process essential to healthy mental function.

In the case of living with a bipolar loved one, we perhaps become slaves to a negative environment by focusing, as the above example suggests, on the negative--by focusing on the problem and limiting our general perspective, we train our neurons to become habitually lazy--to respond in an endless, unchanging loop of negative emotions, poor reasoning, and damaging choices. In the long run, we allow ourselves to become as sick as our bipolar loved one!

(SYMPATICO)

We begin to "live in the problem."

Does that make sense?

Thanks Northpolar for that topic. It seems like one of the "core issues" of bipolar family life.

Regards,

Jim

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03/13/2008 11:52
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Now that I understood. Thanx Jim
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03/13/2008 16:33
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So what you are explaining and Northpole iss that my bp syptoms can be expressed by my partner that does not have bp. If that is the case, how do we change i?

My boss thinks that my husband has bp too. That maybe that is why we are clashing so much and his strange behavior are comming from that. She wants me to tke care of myself and try to remain calm.

With so many people not being diagnosed with any type of condition, how can we be sure that our partner is truly reflecting our symptoms or really does have bp? What explains these same behavior before marriage and that it has gotten worst after marriage?

I do see the good in my husband knowing that he wants to protect me, but he just over does it. I see that he cares on occassions, but it gets colored by negative arguements instead of understanding conversation.

I think that when I get couseling with my husband it will have to be directed to the couselor that he or she has to remain professional and not become friendly and loose objectivity. That does not help us fix things. Well that is all for now. cappy

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03/13/2008 17:02
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Hi Cappy!

The research seems to suggest that one of the simplest ways to maintain a healthy, functioning mind is to constantly seek new knowledge and to acquire and practice new physical skills.

That makes sense to me, given that bipolar in the family often seems to "put life on hold" by freezing everyone into a crisis mindset.

With that given, it would seem that the healthy mind should seek in some way to continue to learn and grow, to do the things that always helped to maintain balance, in order to offset the negative burden of their S/O's state of mind.

But I can't cite my own experience, because I was always on the other side. I will say that I exercise my mind, challenging it to new knowledge and new perspectives. My therp, my friends, and my wife all testify to the fact that my reasoning and my disposition have improved. I certainly feel more mental and emotional balance than ever I can recall in my life.

On the physical side, however, I am a "couch potato!"

As I said, I don't have the answer.

Jim

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03/13/2008 17:41
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Jim- I don't believe that any one of us has the answer to everything that is discussed in these groups. I do know that it is helpful to think and ponder all the input that everyone does put in. Evaluating what each one of you says sometimes helps me feel better and know that not only there are different ways other s are coping with the same issues, but you are not alone and have someone to talk to.

As to challenging the mind, I do that all the time and get some gratification from it. I am currently going to school and my job has me problem solve all the time. The issue here is that I can't fix what I don't have control over. So how can I challenge my mind in this situation? Cappy

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03/13/2008 18:08
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Again, Cappy, I don't have an answer.

It seems to me however that a healthy mind sets a goal and then the healthy mind makes choices which help to reach the goal.

A good goal must be achievable with a reasonable effort and in a reasonable period of time.

Each day, at the beginning of each twenty-four hours, I set at least one goal for myself--not to drink or drug for that day.

Then I follow through by making choices to support my goal. If, at the end of the day, I have avoided drugs and alcohol, then I have succeeded with my goal.

If I don't succeed, then tomorrow I have to make "different choices."

Of course I set other goals, but I never omit my fundamental daily goals: sobriety, help someone else, attend to my daily responsibilities, eat, rest, have my quiet time, etc. I think you understand, Cappy.

The success of future goals depends on the success of daily goals. That's why so many in recovery focus on "one day at a time."

That's why today I am alive, sober, happy, and reasonably healthy.

With friendship,

Jim

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03/13/2008 19:46
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Well I'll have you know, I watch all the reality shows, and, THAT, my dears, keeps my mind active!!!! ololololololol

Love

Gloria

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03/13/2008 20:14
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Thanks Jim,

Those posts encouraged me to excercise my mind. I am starting to excercise my body after sitting on my couch for year. It is definitely a challenge...lol

God Bless,Gypsy
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03/15/2008 06:38
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North Polar,

I found your words of wisdom from the 3-11-08 entry so encouraging. Keeping a journal and checking for patterns. Choosing words carefully, seeing what and how conversations go and take note. I shared this with my husband as well - it made for a great conversation!

I love this forum. Being able to talk about things with other people and sharing ideas. It is very uplifting.

A quick note about relationships - the conversations that followed your 3-11-08 entry - WOW! I believe that people need to find their own pathway, look into their heart and decide for themselves if staying is in their best interest. No - agree, an abusive relationship is not healthy, neither is being consumed by suspicion, regret or hateful feelings. Making an effort to work things out, finding or rekindling love are not always the easiest pathway but it can be the most rewarding. --Thanks for letting me air my view points. Love the discussion!

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