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04/26/2007 18:43
wendiewagner2003
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my 10 almost 11 yr old daughter has been bipolar for 5 years. she has been on too many medications to count . Now for the past 2 years she has been on abilify, wellbutrin sr and trazadone. She is in the perdicament again that it is not controling her problems or symptoms at all she is hitting and screaming and hurting herself and people around her. She is also mean to animals. She is have several manic episodes and then crashes into what i suspect to be depressed episodes and sleeps all day. She crys for no reason and gets mad very easily often rageing.

im not sure what medication to talk to the doctor about now. Is lithium safe for 11 yr olds to take .

Shes already been on depakote and they had to stop it after years of it being at 500 mgs and getting toxic in her system. Shes been on respridol, zyprexa, clonidine, seroquel, ritalin, adderall, anti anxiety meds, topamax, lamictal,remron, tegritol, trileptal, strattera, elavil, tenex. I have read that lithium is helpful in kids but when i broght it up to her psychiatrist he looked odlly at me.

well now we have moved and i have to find her a different doctor not sure were to take her will probably take her to the last dr she went to when we lived in this town before. Atleast till i can find a permanant place to take her to.

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04/26/2007 19:53
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Dear Wendie,

Keep talking....

You might not hear too much which will help you, but we're all "right there with you."

Is your daughter able to post something from her viewpoint? There may be other children who can identify. Expressing herself without fear on this forum may also give her an exercise in the first step toward managing her disease.

Thanks for your courage. We ALL need that at times!

Your new friend,

Jim

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04/26/2007 22:10
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unfortunately my daughter is moderately mentally Handicapped on top of the bipolar disorder. she can barely read much less type out a statement on here. Doctors think she may also be autistic.

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04/27/2007 13:38
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www.webmd.com/bipolar-disorder/tc/Bipolar-Disorder-in- Childhood-and-Adolescence-Topic-Overview

I found some good information for you at the above link at WebMD. I had to look up the lithium question myself and yes it is used in treating children. You said her doctor looked at you funny when you brought it up? I think this indicates a doctor problem not a patient -parent problem. Sometimes, often times, we have o stand up to our doctors, especially in the field of psychiatry.

I am very surprised you daughter has never been treated with lithium since it is almost always the first drug of choice for treating bipolar mania. It has been around for a long time and if you believe the psych community it has a good success rate.

Look around WebMD, I think you will learn a lot. Also checkout bipolarhappens.com, the author has a novel approach to treating bipolar disorder without medication.

Dee
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04/27/2007 15:24
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Dear Wendie,

I have spent the past twenty four hours attempting to identify with your daughter's condition.

I am now going to stick my neck out with an idea--an off-the-wall idea inspired from my instincts. I am no health professional.

My instinct tells me that your daughter's diagnoses are WAY outside the usual diagnostic boundaries for a child her age and in her stage of childhood development.

The round robin experience with the meds provides the first "red flag."

The multiple symptoms overlap, as you suggest, into other areas of psychic, emotional, and neurological affective disorders or diseases.

Your daughter is at an age of intense and rapid hormonal activity, neurological and functional development, and confusing stages of socialization.

Can it be that the underlying problem is pathological (perhaps glandular or metabolic), and that the original diagnosis tended to put behavioral and emotional issues on stage while overlooking an underlying physical disease or disorder? Could your daughter's complicated state have resulted from a fundamental mis-diagnosis, aggrevated by all the meds she has taken?

The brief history you provided indicates that your daughter's problems have progressed. In my mind that suggests the possiblity that her treatments have possibly aggrevated her symptoms without addressing the underlying cause.

If I were you or your daughter, I would want to know with some certainty that misdiagnosis is not the case.

Your posts have had an emotional effect on me, so much so that I felt compelled to respond as I have. I hope I am wrong, and I especially hope my words haven't added to your own emotional burden.

http://www.mentalhelp.net/poc/view_doc.php?type=doc&id=375

http://www.donnawilliams.net/childhoodbipolar.0.html

http://www.neuropsychiatryreviews.com/jun00/ npr_jun00_bipolar.html

http://groups.msn.com/TheBipolarChild/welcomepage.msnw

http://www.ahrp.org/testimonypresentations/ BestPharmaAct0803.php

http://edaction.org/2003/030827.htm

http://www.window.state.tx.us/forgottenchildren/ch05/ s0502.html

Thanks again.

Your friend,

Jim

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04/28/2007 10:35
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she has had about every test known to see if it was anything to do with glands or the such . I didnt take this diagnosis very lightly especially when im being told my 5 yr old has something that they dont usually get. I tool her to the best childrens hospital in my state they ran all the tests and scans and that was what they told me she had. But also there is one thing you dont know. At 4 months old we were in a very severe car accident and she was with out oxygen for a lengthy period of time. They are telling me that it damaged her brain and that is the cause of the mental disorders, sleep apnea, and her mental retardation.
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04/28/2007 12:16
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Dear Wendie,

Thank you for your candid and courageous response.

More than a year ago, I wrote and published a book about my recovery. That exercise in writing gave me no commercial success, but it did give me a real boost in my recovery.

Although I claim to have overcome many of the barriers of my disease, I am still not cured and I seem to be a long way yet from remission.

Early in my therapy, however, my therapist recognized that my one real talent, my source of joy, and perhaps the one real gateway to restoring my mind and happiness is my ability to write. So my therapist has continuously encouraged me to write. The direction I have received from my therapist and others has been critical, because I am one who can't take psychotropic drugs to ease my pain and emotional distress. ...and now I have come to the point where I don't believe I will need the meds.

As your daughter has been troublesome to you, I have also been troublesome to my wife. Her reactions to me have ranged from anger, frustration, and fear to sadness, guilt, and dispair. It has taken a long time for her to accept the shortcomings in my way of dealing with life, but, as in the case of my therapist, she has encouraged me to continue with my writing--or when she cannot encourage me (I take it to excess at times), she has at least tolerated my effort to write.

Part of my salvation and growth, therefore, has come from exploiting my ability to write--practicing daily to refine and develop my skill. That's the reason, aside from sharing my recovery with others, why I spend so much time on this forum. I do not for a minute credit myself with the ability to help others. For me it is merely the exercise of communication--an exercise which tends to keep me from relapsing and from becoming a bigger burden to my wife and others.

The functioning of my mind has improved, I believe, because I have exercised my brain regularly and persistently in this way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroplasticity

In short, others in my life had helped me to discover a talent and an activity which gives me joy, and they have encouraged me to use it to MY (not your) benefit. In every other aspect of my development, I am at best mediocre, mostly dysfunctional, and often a failure. Those potentially negative parts of my recovery, fortunately are "balanced out" by moments of happiness, a feeling of productivity, new friendships, and my feeling that I have a purpose--a reason to live--a passion for something more than suffering.

So I am thinking that your daughter also may have a "passion," something to which she may, with encouragement, devote her mind and her energy--something perhaps which you and she may use to balance the pain of her condition.

Where people like me might not find a generally "balanced" existence, we may find happiness, functionality, and balance of sorts by employing our passionate interests to abate the pain of our disease. In the long run, as in my case, we may thus strengthen our mind's functioning to a point of more than mere survival--to a point where we may have the kind of fulfillment which we see in others.

I am so grateful for my gift, and grateful for the essential role you and others have played in my recovery.

I also acknowledge that there is a source of power and strength beyond my understanding to which I am grateful--grateful for my talent and grateful for the ability to use that talent in service to others and to myself.

Thank you, Wendie! Thanks for you friendship!

Respectfully,

Jim

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