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05/12/2008 22:41
justempty
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I don't know what to do anymore. I am new to this forum and new to BPD.

I have been with my partner for 7 mos now... and when it's good it's the best, but when it's not it's pure hell.

She just began taking Lamictal and is on Cymbalta for the depression. Apparently she knows EVERYTHING there is to know about BPD and yet hasn't gotten it under control in 40 years. She just got a new Dr., and he started her on low doses thus far.( 25, now 50)

We've had a couples counselor, but she doesn't want to go as she feels "ganged up on and attacked by us both". The reality of it is she is being called out on her behaviors. I have been a medical professional for over 15 years, and this one stumps me.

How do you stay?? How much is enough?? Everything is my fault, I'm the loser, bitch, etc. She says THE most awful things to me I have ever been told. How much is really the BPD and how much is organically her? I am beginning to think she's just a raving bitch with an occasional kind heart. I am Buddhist and have had a pretty good handle on myself, my reality and what I will or won't accept from people in my life. How did this one sneak through?!!!

Make no mistake, I adore her, I can't sleep without her beside me and in my arms. But exactly how much am I supposed endure before she blows the last bit of dignity and self esteem I have to bits???

She scorches her path and I'm left smoking in the rubble. Then an hour later she wants to be lovey. God help me should I not respond quickly and appropriately, because then the cycle of "I'm going to destroy you using every bit of info I have on you" begins.

I'm empty. My son is only 8 and he ought never to have to witness such things. I know better... everyone around me thinks she's abusive and that I should leave. She has put me through it time and again... and yet I stay. I actually believe her when she makes agreements and promises. How big of a fool am I???

Don't know where to go from here......

D.
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05/12/2008 23:05
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Hi justempty. Sounds like you are in a rough place and I am sorry. I'm glad you came to this site for some answers and comfort. Make yourself comfortable and browse through the site and join in or just vent or whatever you want to do. I am 58 yrs old and have been Bipolar as long as I can remember. It is a mean and hateful disorder to live with and I know it is equally hard to love one of us. You ask if the harshness and hateful part of your GF is the Bipolar? I would say, some. I have never cheated or verbally cut someone I love to the bone, (well?? lol) I know right from wrong even in the deepest throws of my episodes. During these times, my inhibitions are lowered and I say much more than I should or would if I were not episodal. You must remember, if someone apologizs, they know they were wrong. You have to be the one to draw the line in the sand and tell your GF exactly what that line means. Tell her what is and what is not acceptable. Remember, she is an adult..and she is accountable. The PM (private message) place on this site is great for things you don't want to talk about in a public arena. Please use it to speak with anyone you like in private. Including me.

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05/13/2008 00:42
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Hi, I'm glad you found this site. There are so many people with good advice here. I thought, after reading your post, that maybe this is borderline personality behavior. Although this personality disorder is confused with bipolar frequently, there are usually major shifts in mood based on how they perceive they are being treated (or mistreated) by those close to them. Anyway, no matter what, I can tell you that it sounds like this relationship is quite toxic for you. I wish you luck, no matter what choice you make.


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05/13/2008 04:11
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Hey Empty, it's hard to determine what is her and what is illness, only her therapist and herself can do this, hopefully the meds will help, for you figuring out what is enough, only you can figure that out, good luck and keep posting..

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05/13/2008 04:24
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Hi empty - feel free to scroll thru this site (an my previous posts )I have been where you are now. There are a lot of answers on here. She has to want to change or all the therapy and medication in the world won't help the situation. I'm a quick study, so by the time the 10th person on here told me I needed to take care of myself I figured out (on my own lol.) that I needed to take care of myself. Sometimes it takes a while for the medication to work. They seem to adjust the levels gradually. And even medication doesn't "fix" everything. Yesterday was a tough one for my g/f. But she didn't "go there." I know she was fighting the moodiness all day. I didn't take it personally, asked if she was ok and tried to stay out of her way. That was all I could do. This morning she is fine. I have to keep my side of the street clean - she is responsible for hers.
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05/13/2008 06:36
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I've struggled with that same issue -- how much of the bad behavior is due to the bipolar, and how much is due to simply being a jerk? I don't have the answer, but I do know that regardless of the cause, you don't have to live with being mistreated. You can remove yourself from that situation and create a better, more stable environment for yourself and your child. Your GF won't get help unless and until she's ready. You can't make her do it, and you putting up with being mistreated only encourages her to keep mistreating you.
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05/13/2008 06:47
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Welcome Justempty...you sound like you are a loving person. Maybe you are at a crossroads. Take one path and you stay in the situation forever, take the other and it may open new ground. I thought it interesting you said she felt she doesn't want to go to couples counselor because of being called on her behaviors. A lot of times our behaviors stem from our moods. I am bipolar and when a bad mood hits me...and they do from time to time. I have taught myself to realize it and either isolate myself or try to curb my tongue so i don't take it out on other people. All of the time I do realize what I am doing. Each person is different. In my case I choose not to be cruel to those around me when I am moody. When I drank alcohol I did not have as much control. And would lash out when drinking. I made the decision to stop the alcohol, which made the moodiness and anger much more managable...

Hope you are doing ok...and have the strength to make the decision in your best interests and the best interests of your child.

Glad you are with us. We care

"In the time of your life, live-so that in that wondrous time you shall not add to the misery and sorrow of the world, but, shall smile to the infinite variety and mystery of it." William Saroyan




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05/13/2008 08:34
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Thank you all so much for all your advice and support. Unfortunately her bad moods tend to go on 3-5 day spree's and she is impossible to reach during these times. I do wonder very much if things will ever really change. I already got slammed this am for saying I have talked to some spouses of BPD, by her expressing that they don't know her or I, so how could they know what "we" are like. I know... it's BS and self protection. But in all of her self protection she doesn't realize she is also protecting herself from my love... which she is killing every day.

She jumps to rash decisions... big ones about the relationship, goes out all night then comes back apologetic. I already told her the next time she does that I will be gone, and I meant it.

She is a tough one...very stubborn, very needy, irrational and child-like most of the time. I think I've given up... she has beaten me so far down that I am physically sick everyday. But again... it's all because of what I'm NOT giving her....

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05/13/2008 09:28
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Setting boundaries and sticking to them is difficult but, necessary.

She may be needy and irriational, it is your decision to make whether you are going to meet these needs and and accept irrational behavior. Doing that in my opinion is not helping her. It just enables the behavior.

We are here for you...

"In the time of your life, live-so that in that wondrous time you shall not add to the misery and sorrow of the world, but, shall smile to the infinite variety and mystery of it." William Saroyan


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05/13/2008 16:36
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You need to set boundaries, for her, she isn't going to stop what she is doing as long as you permit her to get by with it, sometimes you have to love a person enough to be willing to let them go, let them fall on their face no matter how much it hurts you, we humans tend to only learn after we have been burnt..

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