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04/06/2008 23:26
mbrento
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All my BP husband's "logic" is centered around that elusive barometer, so-called normalcy. Here is the truth: He needs "too much" attention. He is "too" angry. He is "too" defensive. He is "too" unreasonable. He is "too" selfish. Etc etc. Basically, a "normal" person in overdrive, with too much of everything - the negatives and the positives. Well, his brilliant comeback to these equally brilliant eye-opening observations is, - TA-DA! - "No I'm not." To back up his point that his needs are "normal" and that he's not doing anything wrong, he makes blanket statements to his friends, families, co-workers, anyone he meets, that no one could argue with, like, "Everyone needs attention." Which is, of course, true. But beneath his general blanket statements are a lot of unsaid truths that he keeps to himself, like the fact that he can totally ignore me for and I don't bring it to his attention, but if I don't excessively fawn all over him, he feels ignored. Of course he doesn't tell people: "I need to be excessively fawned over in order to feel loved." What he says is, "She ignores me. She shuts me out." Sounds horrible, and there are no specifics, so of course it's easy to for him to feel justified.

Here is another fact: Every negative trait he has claimed that I have, he has HIMSELF, only about, oh, 200 TIMES worse!!!!! It doesn't make any sense, to supposedly see it it me and claim it's so hurtful, but then not to recognize it in himself, if he's so sensitive to it. It's one-way logic. And when you try to turn around on the one-way street and drive in the other direction, you find it's been barricaded and is impassable. Argghhhhhhhhh!


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04/07/2008 00:08
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mbrento, may I ask you, is this really helping you? I am quite serious. In a therapy session, I was told to write a letter to the ones I hated, say anything I ever wanted to say to them, but couldn't. It was a venting exercise. I guess it did help to spew that venom but only time will soften my hatred I fear, if that even helps. Your words are so full of hatred for your soon to be ex. If it is helping to spew, then good. If you just get angrier every time you post, is it really helping you?

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04/07/2008 07:38
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Dear Mbrento, I pray you find peace...hugs, Norma
"In the time of your life, live-so that in that wondrous time you shall not add to the misery and sorrow of the world, but, shall smile to the infinite variety and mystery of it." William Saroyan




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04/07/2008 09:29
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I am caught up in the "normal" frenzy too. I have been venting a lot. It helps me to vent here, it truly does. I have to vent here, because I have learned to just not argue back with my BP Fiance. I always lose the fight, so if I can vent here, I feel better. Get it off my chest.

I would like to seek counseling for myself, but I must say that I know that I am not to blame. I don't question my actions, my comments, nothing. I enjoy a peaceful life, a happy home, a positive future. But I am not getting that and it hasn't been because I didn't work hard for it. A lot of things have been thrown in the mix. It's like the baking a cake scenerio where you have all the right ingredients, but no heat in the oven to make it. I have all the right ingredients, the oven has been preheated, but what I thought were chocolate chips in the batter, actually turned out to be pebbles for the fish tank! It still tastes good, but you have to pick out the pebbles.

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04/07/2008 10:29
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I have not read any of your other posts so can't say whether I got an impression that you hate(d) your ex spouse or not - but what I do hear is a lot of frustration. And I think MG is right - it is good to vent if the venting helps you work through things.

I have done my share of venting here for sure. One thing I found is that made it easier to hold my tongue with some family members that I was really upset with. Sometimes those situations are lose/lose! (lol) In my experience talking things out with some people doesn't solve anything, it just makes it worse - either they don't understand your point of view or its like talking to a brick wall. You end up making a judgement call and a lot of times I keep quiet with my sister, or my sister-in-law, and then post a long rant here which surprisingly enough helps to get through the anger and frustration - I think because a) once thoughts are organized its easier to be more rational about them b) the feedback from this group is usually pretty helpful.

I know where you are coming from with the over-exageration of traits/situations. My sister does that to our family too. Things just end up being circular and at the end of the day she is always the one who has to be right. As we speak she is blackening my name and my brothers to all our remaining relatives over the situation with my father. It would be the same sort of blanket generalization, and if asked for specifics there would be an abundant over exageration of a fairly small situation. (My dad did not 'give' my brother some pictures from his house instead my brother stole them from my sister.) (The director of care at the nursing home does not have a good professional working relationship with the doc there, instead she is having an affair with him) It can be very frustrating and damaging to a person self esteem, especially as my sister goes out of her way to contact people and tell them bad things. Contacting a long lost relative would not be a stretch for her!! (Believe me, it has happened!!)

As you work through your feelings, you will need to move on and away from the circle of friends and acquaintences that you had when you were married. You can develop your own healthy group of friends, people that your husband does not know. In this way you can build up your self esteem again and you will be able to put the hurtful painful past where it belongs.

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04/07/2008 19:40
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In answer to your query about whether this is seriously helping me or not, Morningglory: Hell, yes! It feels good to acknowledge the anger for once, instead of keeping it in and feeling guilty and all wrapped up in him, him, him, him, him. My life is crashing down around me and it's because of him! He has no awareness it's even going on, AND, as if THAT wasn't enough, he blames ME for it! If I WASN'T angry, I would think that that would be far more cause for concern, wouldn't you? I have felt guilty for feeling angry. Why shoud I? I'm entitled. As for hating him, I don't. I try to look at him as two separate people, and since it's all coming from the same face, the same body, the same voice, that's a rather difficult thing to achieve. But I realize he can't help it. I certainly hate the situation. And I certainly realize that bitterness over the the long haul is not healthy or productive. But as I said, I'm still processing. It's still happening, I'm in the middle of it.

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04/07/2008 20:18
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Hi CherylAnn, thanks for replying, you make a lot of points I really agree with. Yes, the venting helps me not unleash on people I shouldn't. and yes, obviously cutting off contact with "his" circle is good. Unfortunately I've known these people for 4 years, and because of my BP husband's own threatening actions, I'm being forced to vacate rather suddenly in order to protect myself, and because of his slam campaign against me in advance, I don't have a prayer of explaining myself to these people after I'm gone, and it would be pointless anyway, as in the end it's not like we're all going to be buddies anyway. But all these relationships, cultivated over time. Gone, boom, overnight. It's hard. And yes, obviously the goal is to be well adjusted and not bitter over the long haul. I'm sorry about your own troubles . . . I wish you luck in dealing with your sister! Best wishes.


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04/08/2008 05:07
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Yes that is the hard thing about divorce, whether you are bipolar or not - its the end of so many things. When my ex and I split up, we lived in a province were everything was split 50/50 - so house and furnishings and pets were are split evenly. Somehow, so were our friends.

Its a grieving process. Next to my mothers death, that was one of the hardest things I had to go through. I thought my life was over.. I was 29 when it happened and thought I would never have kids or get remarried. (I felt like my 'best before' date had expired when he decided to dump me!) But you will get there. And you will look back someday from a new vantage of happiness and peace.

About a year after we split up, one of his freinds called me and wanted to get together. And I remember finding some excuse as to why I was busy - I had moved on and made new friends, and realized that most of my ex's close friends - the ones that stayed friends with him were losers!!

And about the smear campaign - just keep in mind that not everyone is going to believe him. You may not know who those people are until later, but rest assured, some of his freinds have his number, and probably are quite suspicious. When my sister and her husband split up, I remember all the horrible things she said about him, but I knew her well enough by then to figure things out pretty fast. We ended up staying in touch with my brother in law. ( I think it totally p** my sister off, but, hey, he was a nice guy, and he put up with a lot having to deal with her. We just ended up wishing him happiness and keeping in touch)

Hang in there .. there are better days ahead.

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04/08/2008 19:33
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Hi Mbrento - I know just what you are going thru. My ex and I just got divorced in January, he finally moved out in March. Everything he does is excessive (60 plus large boxfulls of collectibles, thousands of dollars on all brand new everything, hours and hours and hours on the computer, drinking binges, major mood swings, etc. etc. ) He is very impulsive and always 'puts the cart before the horse'

The newest thing he has done that stresses me out is he has been in his place all of 2 weeks and he has a new pit bull. I am so nervous for my daughter going over to his house now. ( I admit I have a fear of dogs, except my own!)

Also, he attributed every one of his own negative traits to me. It is now pleasant not hearing his 'statements' about me anymore.

I still hope and pray he will get his act together so our daughter can have a good relationship with her father.

So, vent away! It is better to vent than get anything like high blood pressure from bottling it all up.

Good luck to you.

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04/08/2008 20:26
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Thanks much for sharing ... it's encouraging to focus on life after the divorce. And I realize it sucks for everyone, not just BP situations. But usually people get divorced because they'd rather be apart than together. In my case I'm not being given a choice. But I realize life goes on, thanks for pointing that out too.

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