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03/24/2008 08:55
mbrento
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Does anyone have any thoughts/insight as to how my BP husband appears "normal" when around other people? Sometimes I think he's right and I am the one who is majorly disturbed, not him, because he is always going on about how if he was so BP or otherwise mentally disturbed, everyone would be noticing and calling him on it, not just me. He has a job, pays his bills, has friends and family. I would call his relationships with friends and family somewhat off at times -- behavior like not returning their multiple phone calls while he disappears into depression for a day or two tends to take its toll, but when he comes out of it, he claims he never got their calls, or was confused, or some other excuse. But by and large he had several friends and family members visit him in the hospital during his last episode when he got taken away from our home in an ambulance after swallowing a bottle of pills, jumping out an upstairs window, and slicing his wrists, then blamed me for driving him to it. He blamed a prescription drug overload/misuse, but now he's changed his tune and says I'm to blame because I cut him down all the time and I'm too mean and sarcastic. Anyway, the point is, whenever I try to point his own behavior out to him as being extreme and to the point that he needs treatment, he denies that his behavior is that bad, tells me my own is just as screwy as his, and then states further that if he was so horrible, why do his friends and family not challenge him also?

It's true that if he has BP (he has been diagnosed, but we all know that's subjective to a point), it's a mild form, as he doesn't have the extreme mania I've read about on here -- he doesn't attack me out of the blue, call me names, etc. The MO is more like everything goes along fine until I either don't back down from his inconsistencies, or until I bring something up myself that is bothering me. In either case, he is EXTREMELY sensitive to anything he perceives as "criticism" or "sarcasm," so much so that I have to walk on eggshells and speak very, very carefully, attempting to not saying anything that might set him off. He's EXTREMELY defensive, we literally cannot have any sort of conversation that might even hint that he is doing anything "wrong" (I can't even say "wrong" - that's a trigger word). Then it all gets pointed back at me and how I'm simply just never happy, difficult to please, a bitch, etc. etc. and how if I would just relax and "accept" him, all would be well. Also, how, since no one else seems to think he's problematic, or, if they do, they don't mention it, that the problems, therefore, must be me.

So if he truly is BP, is it common for them to be able to appear one way to a spouse and differently to friends and family? And if so, what logic do I come back with for his argument that he must not have BP if no one else thinks this way?

ALSO ----- does anyone have any insight into the very slight, subtle, "twists" of conversations of dealing with someone with BP? I don't think he completely fabricates things or tells outright lies, but dealing with him is so confusing. Stories change minute to minute, when a third person like a family member or friend gets involved, it gets even worse, the "he said/she saids." I believe that his stories change slightly, that his interpretations, even, of what's being said, shift in such a way as to be just slightly different between 2 or 3 people that not one of them, on an individual basis, can claim to see anything extreme on his part, because it's all so subtle.

Does anyone have experience with this? Maybe I shouldn't be asking a BP support group this, as the answer would seem kind of biased toward BP, but is this truly how normal people operate, and I'm way off base? I'm willing to consider the possibility that I'm off-kilter, not him. After all, according to him, he's got a whole legion of people - friends and family - who all think he's fine and that I'm difficult. He's always lining up people on his "side," trying to build a case that he has the same personality quirks as anyone else and that he doesn't have any serious mental disorders, it's just that I'm too picky and hard to please. I'm willing to consider that possibility if that's the truth but I'm inclined to think it's just twisted BP blame, denial, justification and rejection. Any personal insight or experience would be helpful.

I'm still riding the fence between he's "normal" and we just don't get along, or he has a major personaliy disorder such that he can't help his behavior. Any similar experiences? The problem is that he's not extreme bipolar to the point that he has obvious outbursts that anyone could see. It could be low-level BP or borderline personality, or a combination of other things. He thinks that shrinks keep diagnosing him with one thing or another because he keeps walking in and after all, they have to do SOMEthing. But now he's convinced himself that his behavior is simply his personality and not anything that needs to be "treated." The only thing he thinks needs to be treated is his anger blowups. Which only happen when he's around me, and are caused by me, he says. Thanks much everyone.


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03/24/2008 09:06
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i do know that as bein in love with someone who is BP we as partners do tend to be a bit overwhelming pointing out their problems all the time telling them who and what they are anyone would get upset with that.i am guilty of it as well i have to learn boundries too i am in counseling with him to learn these skills i have learned i can ignite an episode as well so its a long road for you both not just him and also the on off thing maybe he is not as BP as you think he is maybe he is just abusive which would explain the on off things he abuses you but not his friends/family.. be blessed :~dragonfly
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03/24/2008 09:08
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Oh my god, did you marry the same man??? I feel your pain. My husband has not been suicidal, but he does so many of the other things that you talked about, it's uncanny. You end up feeling like you are the crazy person in all of this mess. There is one difference, my husband has a job, but still cannont pay the bills. He is extremely irresponsible with money. By the way, you do not cause his anger blowups, he does. I bet you know that already. It makes me sick that my husband can be so swett, and basically full of shit to everyone else but me and the children.


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03/24/2008 09:12
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and i am not saying that you deserve this treatment or anyone in love with a BP person.But i do know i get so mad sometimes that i push him where i should not..that is all im saying BEBLESSED :~dragonfly
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03/24/2008 09:24
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Thanks for your insights, Dragonfly, much appreciated. I totally get the overwhelming thing, I know I can be, and I'd be willing to work on it. Only I really feel like my BP husband is trying to gain control of this situation by setting himself up as the normal one and trying to get ME into therapy. I'd be much more willing if he would admit or realize that he is truly more culpable. I'm not out to blame him for blame's sake. I just don't think we can get better if he doesn't truly own up to the problem, which is him. As for being overwhelming in other ways, I try not to be -- I can totally understand how that might be annoying -- but when he has a history of suicide attempts, irrational and angry behavior, I can't trust him. He's never been consistent with his behavior for a long enough time period for me to feel that the danger is behind us. He's unpredictable, I'm always on edge myself, never knowing what I'm going to have to deal with, so I try to head off bad behavior before it gets even worse. Thanks for listening and for your advice.

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03/24/2008 09:33
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The problem is that he is NOT going to admit that he is responsible for any of his behavior. I can tell that from paying close attention to what you have said about him and his behavior. He wants you to think that it is all your doing, because then he doesn't have to do anything about how he is behaving. He will continue trying to convince you that you are responsible for his outbursts, and you will continue to try to convince him that he needs to change some of his behavior, not just yours. You will do this until you think you've lost your mind, and until all of your time is focused on him and his problems, and how you can help him see the "light".

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03/24/2008 09:56
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mbreto, you are in the right place. You are not a chiken asking the wolves for their opinion. Your posts and questions are appropriate. This is a place where people with bipolar as well as those of us with loved ones that have bipolar come to get and give support. There are people here that are in the midst of bipolar and those that are stable helping others to make it through. There are also spouses/SO's that are in the midst of it as you are and those of us that have been in relationships with a person that has bipolar, successful and not so successful relationships.

Take a look at the 2 links below. Maybe they can shed some light on your questions.

http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/bipolar-support-forums/ general-support/11016-why-do-bipolars-run-from-ones-they- love

http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/bipolar-support-forums/ general-support/18897-can-bipolar-people-hide-manic-episode- from-others

My name is RED, I am the spouse of a wonderful woman that is Bipolar II, with personality disorders, and OCD. We have been married 25 years. We have endured through all of the ups and downs, we have survived things "normal" people would find unimaginable. Having a relationship with a person that has bipolar is hard, but it is not impossible.

Keep coming back and asking and learning. This is a major step toward being able to deal with bipolar disorder.

I as well as others are here for you, I as well as others will not let you feel you are alone.

God Bless

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03/24/2008 11:31
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Hi chewmw,and mbrento,

Welcome. I am glad you have found us. I have bipolar disorder.

I am in a reltionahip, and was un medicated until almost a year ago.

The anger issues sound like mania, and the suidal stuff in depression.

I have mania, and the jumping out of a window is mania.

For one fighting with the bipolar person, and tring to tell them that they need help when, they don't want help wont work.

He has to make that decision. I know, because it took me 23 yrs to hit rock bottom. Until then it was always everyone elses fault.

I also was able to put on the mask in front of everyone else, but was a maniac to my family.

The important thing is you are not responsible for getting him better. Whether he get's help or not it wont make anything better. You have to find your own happiness. He is thriving on the attention he is getting, and as long as you make him your main focus, you will burn yourself out.You can be there for anyone if you don't take time for you, and fill up your own cup. You can set boundaries about how you want to be treated. As long as you continue to argue, and fight, and blame yourself, you are enabling him to continue to treat you that way.

I am sorry that you are in this situation. Living with bipolar, no matter what side of the fence your on is very difficult.

Hang out, continue to share, and ask questions, we are here for you.

God Bless,Gypsy
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03/24/2008 12:07
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mbrento,

I'm sorry for what you are going through. I know how horrible it feels. My ex-husband was very much as you describe yours. He was SO CHARMING around everyone but me. No one believed me when I told them he was abusive and mean. It actually got so bad that I wanted him to hit me so that I had "proof"!

My father and mother are also like this. My mother is diagnosed bi-polar, my ex and my father have not been diagnosed with anything. They are both angry, abusive, scary people though.

Yes, I have experience with the very slight, subtle, "twists" of conversations and the turning it off and on in front of others. My insight is that they probably have bipolar, personality or narcissistic disorder.

Bailey

The human spirit is stronger than anything that can happen to it. ~ C.C.Scott
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03/24/2008 14:31
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WElcome ichayim,

Glad you found us. As you can see there are alot of people here that you can probably relate, too.

Keep posting, I sure you have a lot to offer. Feel free to ask questions, also.

God Bless,Gypsy
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