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Spouse of someone with bipolar--a question



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01/18/2008 09:31
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justme, i'm with you. i plan to clean my kitchen, get dressed, and put on makeup and perfume before hubby gets home. and if i do these things, i will have accomplished a lot for me.
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01/18/2008 10:00
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thanks honey will i'm gonna go for now will be back around 1;00
hi i am a 57 year old married lady. i have a 34 year old son that lives in kanas and i have 3 grandaughters.i have a bibolar disorder and adhd. i have suffered from this since. i was 12 years old.
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01/18/2008 19:38
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Hi Justme & Beccaboo- You are aware and actively try to help yourselves. That is different than living with a bipolar person in total denial. I am 100% sure that if my husband would get out of this denial and try to help himself I would be coping a LOT better, even if he had episodes now & then.

I too try to get him to see that his brain is just another body part that needs some medicine. He has no problems taking prescription allergy medicine and acid reflux medicine, so it isn't like he is 'anti-medicine'.

He just can not or will not acknowledge there could be anything wrong with his brain. I don't understand why he is that way, because he saw I took antidepressants and anti anxiety medicine years ago when my ex was trying to get custody of my kids and it really messed me up while ex was lying on the witness stand. (the meds helped me a LOT) My husband was OK about ME taking 'brain meds' but won't do it to help himself.

Take care

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01/18/2008 19:53
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Hi sbsrdc3- I think you are right to set boundaries. You are doing it for the health of everyone in your family. I agree with the others about talking to him, but I know from my own experience DENIAL is stronger than any loving words I have tried with my hubby. I have tried loving words, nagging words, harsh words, didn't care if I was a pain in the a** words, after 22 years I have tried EVERYTHING I could thing of! It is hard.

You're not alone:

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01/21/2008 00:38
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Hi guys,

Don't know why, but I feel the need to make some statement, in which I guess I want to explain myself why I could not make IT. It was just too overwhelming for me to stay...

In the past, I had never a chance to be in a stable, loving relationship. My partners with or without bipolar or with any other psychological / emotional issues were not able to show me what did it mean to be truly loved, to be accepeted and supported by someone you love. It was never secure and healthy relationship...I knew happy love only from the movies, that is why I decided, in spite of my intense feelings towards my bipolar love, to leave. I need to give myself a chance to try something less complicated. Before, I could not even imagine that it would be possible, but somehow I have been given this strange hope that love may be a simple, not distressing and anxiety provoking experience. Through all this time I was carefully gathering my energy, my optimism, my hope and trust just to have it taken by people who sworn to love me. Often the only thing I was given in return was this groundless promise.

It is soo painful and I feel so guilty by leaving him but I know that with time all these feelings will evaporate and I will have a chance to experience the life when someone supports you, and you can feel safe with him because his feelings and behaviours are predictable (for a change).

It was great to be a part of your community folks!

I learned soo much from all of you, and most certainly thanks to you I fought for this relationship for so long.

If I could only be stronger and have enough faith to go on...anyway

all of you - take care!!! You are wonderful people, I know because I always fell for you...wish you the best!

Maja

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01/21/2008 05:18
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Good morning everybody, I want to thank everyone for all of the encouragement etc here, however, I did try to talk to him this weekend, he went this past week and spent another one of his paychecks on his addiction. He got mad because I would not sleep with him, and I told him that there was not a point in sleeping together, because I only want to sleep with someone that makes me feel loved and gives me a reason to sleep with them. He says that sex is a major part of a relationship and that if I do not sleep with him then we have no relationship. He said really mean things like even his exes slept with him after they kicked him out...I told him I was not them...anyways I asked him if he thought he had a problem and he said no (of course). I asked him if he ever planned on going back to the therapist that he went to before, and he said he did, but there is always and excuse not to go. I asked him if he saw the contradicting things that he says, like how one day he hates me because I am mean for kicking him out, and the next day he is really nice and tells me how he understands, he said he just goes day by day and whatever he feels that day is what he expresses. I told him I was willing to go to the depaul center (a rehab here in our town) with him and see if we could get US help with the anger,addiction, etc and he just says that he can stop the drugs when he wants to and he can stop spending the money when he wants and that he just has not allowed himself to do so. (FOR 4 YEARS????) I am not sure what else to do, it is like he really thinks that he does not have a problem. All I could say was "Ok, I guess I will sit back and see if you stop?". What else could I say to his refusal to get help on any of his problems? He says that he is tired of telling the lies and then more lies to cover up those lies. He is tired of owing people money. But I feel like that feeling of "being tired of these things" is only going to last until he gets paid again. SO I guess the only thing now is to give him the ultimatum of going and getting help or not coming around me anymore. Of course then I would lose any money that he does happen to give me, but I guess that is what I have to deal with!!! thanks for listening everyone.
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01/21/2008 10:54
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How you doing,

I share your sentiments....I feel that I am the one to blame for everything ...and I get sick and withdraw to a point that I forget about myself...hang in there....



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01/21/2008 11:04
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I really found the article interesting posted by JR1 on the 11th. To my understanding, there is a kindling effect that causes random episodes to manic-depressive, drug, and other patients. These episodes are caused by a traumatic or extreme event like a death, overdose, or an accident. According to the article then, no more stimulus is needed for the rest of a person's life to cause episodes, almost as if the traumatic event of long ago reoccurs again and again in that person's life: a reoccurring stimulus.

It is a interesting theory that could explain "random" episodes in a person's life. Random to us, but reoccurring to the individual. It's like an event that never ends. It could drive a person into some permanent mental illness later. Or, at least, an extreme version of an existing illness.

I would wonder if there is a counter-acting positive and extreme stimulus that the diagnosed individual may experience to become happy or "cured" of the trauma.

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01/21/2008 11:11
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I would wonder the same, if there is that something to trigger these "episodes" What is it that triggers the happiness and normalcy, besides meds?
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01/21/2008 13:02
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Heya NorthPolar!

If you're interested in the "clinical stuff", you might want to look for some information on neuroplasticity or neuronal plasticity.

I'm just coming back from a trip, so I am way behind in things; but I will leave you with a post on "resonant behavior" which contains a reference to neuronal plasticity, both of which topics seem to be related to "kindling."

http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/bipolar-support-forums/ tips/796-dual-diagnosed-bipolarresonant-behavior

I really appreciate your post.

Thanks.

Regards,

Jim

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