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07/21/2008 19:01
zinnia
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autumn-it does sound like you're losing yourself in all this. we talk a lot here about how being bipolar isn't an excuse for abuse or bad behavior. it sounds like he is very neglectful and perhaps verbally abusive at times. if you go to the forums page and look under off topic discussions, there's a thread there about relationships called "breakin' up is hard to do" that discusses a lot of what you're talking about. we were even just discussing the topic of a partner who neglects the relationship there. try reading that and see if it gives you any insight. in the meantime, most here will suggest that you find what brings you joy again and let him do what he's going to do. if you are not ready or do not wish to leave him, then let him see, at least, that you are developing a life and that you are growing, whether he wants to join you or not.

you're not alone. i'm the bipolar one but my ex husband was exactly like you're describing. he was verbally abusive and neglected me and our family and our marriage until it was destroyed. it's sad, but you're definitely not alone.

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Thou canst not disturb a flower without the troubling of a star...from "Troubling a Star", by Madelaine L'Engle...we all affect one another by our words and actions...it is our choice whether to do so purposefully and positively, or carelessly and hurtfully...may we all bring to one another the peace that we seek...

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07/21/2008 19:42
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Anywho, I think it would be a good idea for you to find a place to go when he is on a rampage. One that is safe and secure that you can stay for the evening until he is done. BTW, Sometimes I find the couch much more comfortable than sleeping in the same bed with hubby. It makes me feel like a kid again. I get to stay up later and I have the freedom to go outside with out disturbing anyone in the house. I find it is a great escape from everything sometimes.

This is a great attitude and good advice.

Alot of times I feel lonely,like I'm the only one in this world feeling this way.

I can relate to your feelings very well. I am struggling in much the same way. Please hang in there. This message board has many good threads. My mister and I are deciding whether or not we can work everything out ourselves. He has bpii.

autumnsky, when you have good times together, what are they like? Sometimes I have to look at the good times to remember what it is I am doing here.

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08/05/2008 11:04
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I can so understand where you are coming from. It's like living with a stranger everyday. You feel guilty when you just can't take it anymore, but what do you do? My husband will not even take his meds. It's all because of "stupid" people and not his fault. Nothing ever is. I don't know if people can truly understand what it's like to live with someone who has this unless they've been there. My motto is now to try and live my own life, and see what happens. I cannot fix him. I have tried and failed everytime. Just wanted you to know someone understands.

Thanks, Shell



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08/06/2008 11:29
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I try to imagine what it would be like to have BP.

How do you know when you are being BP or if you are justified in having a visceral reaction to a bad situation or stupid jerk? It's not like you can make your life perfect for a week so that you can tell if your meds are really working or not.

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08/06/2008 11:45
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Hi Diane. That is why a good support system is so very important. They can help you recognize the rational and also what is irrational.







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08/07/2008 19:39
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I have decided that enough is enough. My husband has decided to sue my daughter if he doesn't get what he wants. He is just losing his mind. He is retired because he couldn't deal with people, now he can't deal with family either. I'm just sick to my stomach with what is going to happen. Say a prayer I'm doing the right thing.
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08/07/2008 20:02
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OOOHHHH Shell - all bets are off if someone is messing with one of my kids. That will bring on an ass kickin' even if I was too scared before. lol. You can do it. You are stronger then you realize.
You have delighted us long enough.
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"Someone call the doctor, got a case of love bipolar. Stuck on a roller coster and can't get off this ride."
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08/09/2008 09:05
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I'm coming in to reply in the middle of this thread, so forgive if I'm interrupting. But I have a long history of dealing with such a thing. I'm not going to give advice, each one has to decide for themselves. A marriage won't work unless your heart is truly committed, and then it doesn't always work. BUT...

I've been married for 26 years to a difficult man. I'm the one with bipolar, but he has his own problems too. When we first got married he hit me. No, that's not acceptable behavior, but I didn't know that then. People were always telling me to sit down and behave in my little manic spells. So when he said I wouldn't behave I thought I deserved to be hit. Many, many years later I found out that NO ONE could hit Otter, and I've stuck with it. The funny part of it all, is that my husband has come right along with this notion. Oh it hasn't been easy. We've had counseling and meds (on both sides) and lots and lots of tears. But I we have a successful marriage, a happy marriage. I left (FOR SAFETY REASONS) once for three months. It was awful. I missed him terribly, and I also had no where to go. I slept anywhere I could. That was 11 years ago. We've had tons of struggles since then and I've gotten involved in an abused woman's group, first as a member then later as a leader.

I hope I can be really clear here. I have seen women with a husband I would leave forever. One in particular I remember. He was just plain evil. He said he enjoyed hitting women. But the majority of those men wanted help, desperately. They may not have had the words to say that, but their actions showed it.

I spend so so much of my time working on myself, with being bipolar. I try not to let it hurt my husband. At the same time he is working to not hurt me. We joke that we are raising each other.

It hasn't been easy, any of it. The other day my husband quit his job, just up and quit. We NEED that job. So when I was talking to the girls at work, they had us divorced and me living with a lady from work. When I got home and talked to Jim, it was a different story. He's scared, confused and worried, just like I am. In short, he's as human and confused as I am. He's applied to some places we think he'll like more. I can't leave this man, I love him. I'm committed to him. In short, we need each other.

So use your wits, use your backbone, get support wherever you can. A woman's group, a church, family...I do think you need to find a safe place for awhile. But marriage isn't perfect, sometimes it's not even good, but it's a committment. Don't hurry to make permanent decisions. I ran in and out of our marriage for years. THAT'S what I regret, not the leaving or staying, but the in and outs with no plan. I still have a plan in my head, because we are still the same people. I have my expectations for Jim, and he with me. But we are together and we love each other and we will work out any problems we have. As for the purely stupid (shhh, don't tell him I called it that) stuff he says, I ignore part of it. As he ignores when I am stupid. Really it's not a bad deal. A marriage counselor or woman's anti-violence counselor can help you with a "plan." That's who started me. Once you stop being all over the place, it will begin to fall into step, and you'll know whether this is save-able or not.

Best wishes

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08/09/2008 10:06
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Otter - that is a good story. I think the advantage that you have is that your husband realizes that there is a problem and deals with it to make things better. So many do not. My grandparents went thru hell and back. Getting divorced was never an option. My grandmother was very physically abusive (I never witnessed any of this this was before I came along.) My grandfather was a bad alcoholic. One day he just quit. He is mouthy and can be really mean. My grandmother is manipulative and can be the most ruthless person - well she used to be. Over the years things calmed down. My grandfather had a quadruple bypass. He was in the hospital for a month. While he was there I had to help her with everything. I went to her house one day and she said she had cancelled her hair appointment. When I asked her why, she said it was because the car didn't have gas in it. It was one of the three times I have ever seen her cry. She didn't know how to put gas in the car. My grandfather always did it. Now they are 80 and 78.

When I look back it's obvious that my grandfather had ptsd from the war, and was an acoholic. My grandmother grew up in a very abusive house long before there was such a thing. Over the years their life together became one person if that makes sense. They have a very traditional life. He does all the "man" things and she does all the "woman" things. They drive each other crazy. But they cannot be a part. And neither one of them ever admitted they were wrong or that they were going to change. They just seemed to over the years.

It was a very different generation.

I do think that now people are more likely to jump when things get bad. But there is more self awareness and a greater quest for inner peace then before.

My expectation for the person I am involved with is not for them to be perfect but for them to be on the same quest that I am on. To look at themselves and work to be a better person. If they aren't or don't want to - then I have little in common with them.

Post edited by: bejeweled, at: 08/09/2008 10:08

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"Someone call the doctor, got a case of love bipolar. Stuck on a roller coster and can't get off this ride."
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08/09/2008 18:32
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It is like a sickness yourself when you are married to mentally ill people.(Those who don't try to be better.) You hate them, want to get away and then boom, you can't stand being away from them. I have tried to figure out why you allow yourself to be treated like crap. I have also decided that I am going to expect to be treated the way I treat others. If he can't deal with giving me the respect I deserve, then what am I trying for? I do not want to be a basket case the rest of my life. It's like living in hell, I mean it. It's like the saying you can't live with them, can't live without them. It's sickly true. I don't know the answer to anything. I have a lot of questions to answer myself. One thing I know, I deserve to be respected. I guess everyone has to decide for themselves their own boundaries. I will not allow my kids to feel like second class citizens, nor myself. Bejeweled, your awesome! You hit the nail on the head when you said taking resonsibility for your actions. You have to want to change and want to be a good person. When everything is always someone elses fault, how do you grow in that? You don't. I want to grow.
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