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08/27/2008 07:09
Bman
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My wife is bipolar and she started to slide out of control to a point where she stopped taking meds and stopped seeing her doctor. She also lost her job. We have 2 infant boys which I have not seen in 23 days, because she filed a restraining order against me and pressed assault charges. Just for the record I never laid a hand on her or her mother who also pressed charges. She lived with us for 3 years and also bipolar, but not diagnosed. I was able to have the state take custody of the children and get them away from my wife. She kept them in the house and in the dark for weeks. I also had to press charges against my wife in order for her to get evaluated, which she is still refusing to do.

So now we are a broken family that are all living separately and going to courts instead of enjoying the summer. We will probably get foreclosed on the house, will be forced to declare bankruptcy, probably get divorced and who even knows what will happen with the kids....

All this because her doctor could not forcefully get my wife help, and was crap of a doctor all along. Because of stupid HIPPA laws, and all the other stupid legal BS that prevented me from getting my wife help when she needed it most.

But that is ok as long as the privacy was not violated, only our family's future and existence.

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08/27/2008 09:53
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So the state has custody of your kids, you had your wife arrested and are filing charges, and you are not able to get your kids. Boy, what a mess...that must be tough for you. I would think the courts will do what is in the best interest of the children, Bman.

Good luck on recovering from this set-back. As far as being mad at the doctors, that is a waste of time. Better to think about how you are going to help your children and yourself. Doncha think?

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10/29/2008 07:02
Bman
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After 3 months of going to courts, we are making some progress. The false restraining order's and assault charges have been resolved and my wife is now much better, but still not 100%. She is still somewhat paranoid and is denial that she even has a problem and the extent of it. She is back on the medication, but is not very happy about it. She is also seeing her doctor regularly and also got evaluations done for the state. So now the doctors are not sure if she is bipolar or schitsoaffective. She might be entering a day outpatient program as well.

I am trying to get her to sign a global HIPPA waiver, giving me access. So that in the future I can try to stop this from happening again if I see signs of her getting worse. But now she is even more against it than before. I also want to be there and support her and help her get better, by working with her and her doctors, but she is refusing.

How can I convince her that I am on her side and just trying to help and be supportive, so that we can all get better as a family?

Also are there any reading materials for couples that are bipolar and how to get through things? Or any support groups?

Thanks.

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10/29/2008 09:28
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Wow, bman, that sounds like quite a nightmare. I am here trying to learn how to be there for my friend who is bp. This world is new to me. I can relate to the frustration about privacy issues. Even though they do protect the patient from real harm sometimes, and they certainly enforce the innate freedom/responsibility of our bp loved ones for their own lives, it can be totally frustrating. If you are honestly trying to help and can see them spinning out of control while there's nothing to do but watch, it is very painful. And having your babies in that situation, fearing they are not being taken care of, would be heart-wrenching.

As far as convincing her that you're on her side, I'm in the same situation trying to do the same thing. Being steady and constant seems like the first step. Your situation is more dire because of the babies. If she doesn't step up somehow or other to take care of herself so she can take care of them then it might force the issue. You can't jeapordize them.

You can always write a letter to her doctor explaining what has been happening and what steps you may need to take if she can't get to a point of being able to care for the kids herself. If the doc only sees her for a little bit and she's only telling him parts of the picture, how will he know about what is really happening? Although he can't talk to you about your wife, you can give him information that can help him giving her the best treatment.

This group has been supportive and I have learned a lot. I hope you'll stick around and try to learn about what's going on for your wife. You could always ask her to go to therapy together with you for your marriage, or ask her if you can go with her to some appointments so that you can understand bp better to support her. That approach might go a long way.

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10/29/2008 11:00
Bman
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thanks for the support.

unfortunatly I went to an appointment with her to her doc when she was getting worse. The result was me explaning my concerns and her doctor agreeing with me. In turn my wife did not want to see that doctor anymore, because he agreed with me. She is also blaming the situation getting to where it is today, because she let me go with her to her doc. She is saying that I lied about everything and that she is fine. So now she is refusing any kind of interaction with me and her docs. and on some days she is ok with the idea of some kind of therapy together, but that therapy should be for me...

I guess only time will tell and help...

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10/29/2008 11:05
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Hang in there, Bman, I know this is hard.

When I was divorcing my last husband, I was so manic and paranoid, I was sure he was trying to kill me. I wouldn't drink the water by the bed, I wouldn't drink the coffee in the morning, and I even threw up when he gave me anything to eat or drink. That's how real it was to me. I reported him to my lawyer and my doctor.

Of course, he wasn't trying to kill me. We are good friends now, but still divorced (for various reasons). I guess my point is when you're delusional, it's very real. I wish I had more to help you with, but I guess I'm just trying to explain this side of it. It's so ridiculous to me now, but it was so real back then.

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10/29/2008 15:26
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bman, understanding what jritchie is telling you above is really important, I think. Although I understand the pain of having to watch from the outside, and even being labelled the "bad guy" right now, it's something she can't control. Trying to work with it is probably going to be hugely frustrating for you (especially if she isn't giving you the support of talking with her docs) and probably won't make any difference to her, unless you hit a moment when you feel on a gut level you're really getting through to her. You can keep trying, for her sake. But I wouldn't bend over backwards or focus too much on that part.

It seems like the more important thing for you to focus energy on is, what happens next? You said things have improved. She's taking some meds but doesn't like it. Why is she taking them? Is it likely she will stop? You also said she may be starting an outpatient program. Is she doing this willingly?

Trying to convince her of your support is one thing (same situation I'm in). But a much more important thing right now is thinking hard about your little kids and figuring out what they need, making sure they are taken care of. If you need to take steps to insure that, even if it means taking more responsibility away from your wife, you need to follow through. Being serious about it may help her to see how important it is that she step up and take care of herself so she can continue to be a part of her kids' lives.

If I'm being too strong in this position, guys, please speak up and offer other perspectives that might help bman get through to his wife.

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10/30/2008 07:18
Bman
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My wife did start the outpatient program and taking her pills for one reason. She wants to show Child Services that is doing things to get better, in order to get the kids back. She is not doing any of this, because she thinks she needs it, but only because she thinks it will get the kids back home to her. She is still in complete denial of her condition and that she had a break down. That is the biggest problem...

We even went to see our old marriage therapist yesterday, we used to go to her a few yers go. And after talking to us, she told us that she could not help us at the moment, and suggest it some couples group therapy.

We both have a great deal of love for each other, that is the only thing keeping us married still. (oh and the 2 kids) We argue about how this happened and how to fix it during the day over the phone and at night when I stay with my wife, we can be civil to each other. Watch a movie, have sex and be in love. And do the same again the next day.

I try not to fight with her, but I feel that until she realizes that she has a condition and that she did breakdown, we will never move on from this, at least I know I will not...

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10/30/2008 09:01
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So where is your daughter staying? With you alone? or with the both of you?

If you're staying to try and get through to your wife I think you should just make sure your daughter isn't left alone with her unless you're sure she's stable in taking her meds.

If CPS is involved, I would make every effort to get to know the caseworker assigned to your daughter and open up the conversation about your wife's health. If you know she's just putting on a show for them, tell the caseworker. And let him/her know if your wife is making real progress, too. Use those tools now so they will be there to support your daughter's well-being if things get rougher.

Just my opinion. Let us know how it goes...

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