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03/22/2010 07:55 AM
Loyalty
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There is a lot of interesting posts here and it has come to my attention what we preach CBT and meds. But it seems we have also forgotten there is some people out there who are just not good at CBT and Psychotherapy.

I have had experience dealing with counselor in regards to my anger issues and learned quickly that some don't give a shit and some are just plain damaging!

Id like to continue this thread with feed back on your experiences with receiving counseling and mental health care.

What to watch for and what makes a good counselor etc...

Thanks

Cory

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03/22/2010 08:09 AM  Top
damselndistress
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Well we live in the armpit of America here.

We don't have anyone that I know of that offers cognitive behavioral therapy.

Just a bunch of people that hang out a shingle offering psychological services.

It's kind of like looking for a needle in a haystack.

One of the very first counselor's I saw just told me to drink! A little wine or something to loosen up.

Actually might not be a bad idea.Wink

Damsel

Summer vacation has started-yahoo!

03/22/2010 08:18 AM  Top
whattodo
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Damsel----It seems that way, the more you talk the more it druges up so much garbage, even with my 'friends' they just don't get it, sadly unless they walk the walk, they'll never get it...in the past discussing this only got me more aggravated, maybe I was discussing it with the the wrong person, one of my really good friends said "and you still married him" nice hugh.....maybe not her fault her husband seems like a level guy, they kiss and make up, we don't we just move on..... Smile

03/22/2010 09:01 AM  Top
damselndistress
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If we can we just move on whattodo-sometimes it takes a while to get to that point.

But I agree that many people not living this life don't understand-and there could be a shred of truth in the feedback we get from them-we do live in horrible situations why do we do it?

I think where I am at I think accept-not in a way that we just accept anything a person does to us in a damaging or abusive way-but accept like accepting your life journey-and find a way to focus on the positive-the silver lining in that cloud.

Accept that this isn't about us. That the behavior coming at us is all about our partner and their issues and has nothing to do with us. If you start to look around at other areas in your life you start to see that other people do the same thing their behaviors just pale in comparison to what we get from our partners are much more subtle and they have a tendency to be able to think of others too, which we often don't get the privilege of experiencing with some of our partners since they see us as an extension of themselves or as a person that serves a purpose in their life.

Damsel

Summer vacation has started-yahoo!

03/23/2010 06:16 AM  Top
Loyalty
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So Dam you have no access to decent counseling? So I assume your mostly self educated because it appears you really know your stuff.

I want more feedback here as I am preparing to write an article on counseling. I want more then my point of view!

So what are your experiences with CBT and your spouse? Or any other counseling you guys may have had experience with!


03/23/2010 07:05 AM  Top
damselndistress
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Well I have tried 4? counselors here?

The first was an acquaintance with mother in law.

He really pushed for their side, said things like one thing mother in law always did was let her son know how proud she was of him. Well I don't believe in giving false praise. Husband is getting a bit better believe it or not and his actions during that time left much to be desired. He just wanted my blind support while he was going off doing irresponsible things. It was during the time he was charging up 60K worth of debt. I guess you could say he was hypomanic. The emotional abuse had started and his parents were in denial. It was a tough time because we had just started having kids too-I pretty much didn't like the whole scene. I guess that first psychologist gave me mixed advice. He would say something helpful for about every 5-6 things he said that wasn't helpful.

The second then was very blunt. That was the one where it wasn't uncommon for me to be referred to as bitch right in session. I don't really feel we accomplished much there either. Husbands main goal seemed to be to get them to manipulate me to 1) support him even though I didn't agree with his actions 2) show more affection

I resented like I said most of what was going on at that time. Husband spent so much of his time gone leaving me with the little ones to take care of and I was supposed to just think it was great. My exhaustion was starting at this point and looking back it was the path to my own breaking point but I still don't know what I really could have done. Pushed for more help I guess and set a boundary or several.

The third person I think was a pastor, I only went once. He referred me to another woman in the church who's husband was bipolar. His behaviors were inappropriate-I guess it was a type of warning-she was a nervous wreck. She would call me on the phone I regret now not having her phone number but I was very busy at the time working and trying to manage things alone. But she said she had found a good doctor about 3 hours south of us. I knew it was out of the question that we try to go with all we had going on.

The fourth just told me to divorce my husband within the first 20 minutes of describing the relationship.

But she did tell me to buy the book walking on eggshells.

Now the one I see was the one people nicely told me that they weren't so sure I should go back to even though I like her.

She said I picked the wrong person and that she isn't sure she can save this marriage. She is a nurse who went on for further education in mental health. She prescribes meds and does talk therapy both.

The kids really like her and her office is cool-it's really earthy. I'm not sure how much she can really help me.

I am educated to a point on this stuff I guess my biggest problem is knowing how to communicate with my partner so he doesn't just blow his stack, also trying to negotiate for him to do more of his part.

I can't force him to do anything and honestly he can sit there in therapy and say anything I need to see action. So basically I need to learn how to handle him.

I did read a lot and spent hours and hours going over his actions and past history. It really did and does consume my life. I regret a bit the impact it has made and it really wasn't fair for myself or the kids that so much time even if it was psychological was spent on him.

I know easier said than done but if I could go back I would have tried to worry less and just enjoy the kids, I tried to do that, but I was also very preoccupied and felt like I needed to be for our future.

I guess with all of my experience I wouldn't feel yet ready to write an article since my experience was so spread out and I don't know that I ever got anywhere with it. I'm not sure that my perspective would be fair.

People say to shop around and that's really good advice.

Damsel

Summer vacation has started-yahoo!

03/23/2010 12:06 PM  Top
Imnoangel
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Loyalty ~ In our experience we actually got a referral from a good friend. On one of my husbands "taking off" periods I was almost ready to call it quits. I had emailed a good friend of mine (we used to work together) and told her I am done. She is normally very blunt and I expected her response to be change the locks, get a lawyer. But, it wasn't... and I was shocked. She said she thinks he is bi polar. After a couple of emails she finally admitted that the reason she thinks this is because she is also bipolar. I never would have known.

Anyway, she had already been thru a couple of MH professionals that gave her xanax and tried to council her and it didn't help. So, she found this doctor at a local walk in clinic (you can go there without appt for sore throat, etc), but one of the docs there actually studied bipolar and also gives lectures, etc to other docs about it. So, upon the first time of meeting him we really liked him. He gave hubby RX's and talked to him about his feelings. He explained to him in a very simple way the way he feels and why. He said if you ever want to scream at your wife, go outside and scream about me... call me a quack, whatever. But, don't scream at your wife.

Once he stopped his meds (when I first got on this site) and he took off for 9 days. I called the doc and he was so nice. I got hubby to go back and he talked to him in such a positive way that I could have just hugged him. So, he got him back on meds, back at home and he even gave me his personal cell # in case anything happened.

You don't find doctors like that all the time.... well, rarely.

So, even though neither one of us are in therapy we are doing great. I don't say that my husband or I might not need some therapy. But, for the most part we are fine. Husband might could use it to deal with some issues in the past, but as long as he's good I won't push it at all. In fact, I think it would be a struggle to get him to go.

Personally, my therapy is educating myself. The more I get on this site and search the internet for info, the more I understand and am willing to help him with his condition. I also tell him in bits and pieces anything I've learned that I think he might like to know. But, I don't dwell on it. I don't make bp the big issue of our life, it's just a small portion.

I hope this helps some.

My advice is that if anyone knows someone that has a great doc that a referral is the best way to go. We only have to pay our PCP copay from our insurance which saves us a lot of money if he were a MH doc with his own office.

Smile

Courage is being afraid but going on anyhow.
Dan Rather

"In order to succeed you must fail, so that you know what not to do the next time."
Anthony J. D'Angelo

"You block your dream when you allow your fear to grow bigger than your faith."
Mary Manin Morrissey

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. Gandhi


I am not a doctor and my advice is purely based on opinion and personal experience and should be regarded as such.
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