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06/14/2008 06:03
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Is it normal for bipolar people to become physically violent? Can mania, if untreated, get worse and escalate more each episode? Need some more ammo for discussion with my husband to convince him about therapy and seeking medical help.
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06/14/2008 06:18
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I don't know if it is normal. My husband has never become physically violent, but I know that many others have. The mania will usually get worse if untreated, and might be followed with severe depression/thoughts of suicide. This gets really scary.

(BTW - I like your name. I started out here as "sadtee").

Most people don't know that there are angels whose only job is to make sure you don't get too comfortable & fall asleep & miss your life - Brian Andreas
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06/14/2008 07:03
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Well I am glad you like my screen name and I hope that I can change it like you have someday!

My thoughts were exactly the same about the Ritalyn. I never noticed any change except that he seemed to be able to study his Bible lessons without talking so much. I don't worry about suicide because the counselor said that he is too narcissistic...and that is so true! I have never heard him, even during guilt and apologies, say anything about feeling worthless or killing himself. His pattern is to blame me for everything that is wrong in his life when he doesn't meet his own expectations. This is hard for me and I get angry because I came from a poor family and was the oldest of 6 children...I was a single mother of 2 kids and worked and went to college! I just get so frustrated when he makes those accusations to me because he is basically lazy and unmotivated most of the time. He really has that "king of the castle" syndrome! Since not working due to my illnesses I get quite angry at his thoughless comments and accusations. I have been beating myself up over it until last night happened. It is one thing to be sick but entirely another when you won't help yourself...I am looking at it as if dealing with an alcoholic...illness is not an excuse for abuse.



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06/16/2008 07:41
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Sadme: "Can mania, if untreated, get worse and escalate more each episode?" Most definitely.

"Is it normal for bipolar people to become physically violent?" Some do, some don't.

"illness is not an excuse for abuse." AMEN, SISTER!!!

"Is this a blessing? Or is it a curse?
Does it get any better? Can it get any worse?
Will it go on forever? Is it over tonight?
Does it come with the darkness? Does it bring out the light?
Is it richer than diamonds? Or just a little cheaper than spit?"--Jim Steinham
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06/19/2008 06:58
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UPDATE-Just learned that the court date for my husband is not until July 18. At that date they will tell him when his REAL court date is according to him. I suggested to my husband that he contact his HR dept and ask them for FMLA papers to protect him from losing his job. I figured that he could then give them to his new pdoc at his first appt. on June 27. My thought was that it would not only protect his job but would help him in court plead the case of illness caused this incidence. We are in the middle of moving to Michigan, my home, and as I mentioned before I have been unable to work due to illness. He doesn't feel the need to give anybody any paperwork about his illness even though he has been fired 4-5 times in the 6 years that we have been together! Has anyone ever dealt with the legal system due to violence of someone with bipolar? My ignorance was that of not questioning the 911 operator when she said she was sending someone out to help. In retrospect I feel I should have specifically asked for an ambulance. I have tried to talk to people at the court but to no avail. Unfortunately, I will be in Michigan on the date that he is due in court...I wrote a letter to possibly send to the presiding judge but don't know if I should send it. Michigan law used to be that the "victim" had a right to be heard but not sure if that is true here and the responses I've gotten so far here in Hicksville is one that I am of an uneducated background and the typical female in a cycle of control and abuse (just wanting my husband out of trouble). I don't object to treatment (including anger management) but until a person is stable from what I understand, what good is it going to do...except cost us money that would be better spent getting us to Michigan for support and for his medical treatments right now to GET HIM STABLE. I just can't seem to get anybody to listen...thanks for listening.
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06/19/2008 07:13
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Sadme: The only advice I have for you is to tell you what happened to my husband when I had him arrested for domestic violence. I wasn't even allowed to enter the courtroom with him. So you going with him is no guarantee that you would even be allowed to speak. He was represented by a public defender. Since it was his first offense and he had no prior history, they dropped the charges and he was not required to do anything.

I don't know about applying for FMLA in advance. Are you thinking he will have to serve jail time?

I also don't know if it would have made any difference what you told 911 you needed. They usually just send the cops, and they have to take him to jail unless they are suicidal.

"Is this a blessing? Or is it a curse?
Does it get any better? Can it get any worse?
Will it go on forever? Is it over tonight?
Does it come with the darkness? Does it bring out the light?
Is it richer than diamonds? Or just a little cheaper than spit?"--Jim Steinham
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06/19/2008 09:01
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Warhorse-Thank you for the update on what to expect. I guess things will just have to take their course now. The stress has taken a toll on my physically at this point and I am on the verge of getting pretty sick. I have enlisted the help of 2 people to help me get moved to Michigan next Wed. I won't be here for any of the upcoming court stuff and I feel bad about that but at the same time I am suffering anger at what this illness has caused. I am angry at myself for not seeking information about all of this sooner. My husband is going through bankruptcy, we are losing our home, and I am not working right now. I don't even know how he has kept his job this far. Did the court hear or know that your husband was bipolar or was the result of just going by their book "so to speak"?

No problem with the no contact at this point because I will be in Michigan and he will hopefully be able to keep staying with his mom. It is going to be hard to keep that up while he is looking for a job in Michigan right now...I just don't know how we are going to get through this...forest for the trees kind of thing.



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06/19/2008 09:42
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Sadme: No, I don't believe the BP was ever brought up in court, and I believe they were just going by the book, first time offender, etc.

My advice to you in getting thru your difficult situation right now--do it one day at a time. Trying to project beyond that is just too hard for you right now.

Sorry, too, to hear about your financial situation. I, too, am in the thick of it right there with you. I'm due to be laid off again within a couple of weeks, third time in a year. I figure my house will be going next and I'm deeply depressed over this right now and don't know what to do or how to get out of it...

"Is this a blessing? Or is it a curse?
Does it get any better? Can it get any worse?
Will it go on forever? Is it over tonight?
Does it come with the darkness? Does it bring out the light?
Is it richer than diamonds? Or just a little cheaper than spit?"--Jim Steinham
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06/19/2008 10:56
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Warhorse - I hate to hear that anybody is going through what I am. My life is what soap opera people would love for the screen! ha ha! I do have some interesting information for anybody in financial straits right now...I just went to the pawn shop yesterday. I have never been in a pawn shop in my life and was very intimidated, expecting to have thugs wait on me. Nothing like that here...family owned. Anyhow I took in some old jewelry (1 necklace 2 rings and one charm) that my husband has been procrastinating about getting rid of and got $403!!! I came home and have gone through my own jewelry and am taking that over too. On a separate note Warhorse, try to avoid foreclosure vs. bankruptcy. I only give that advice because I worked in the mortgage industry for years...bankruptcy comes off your record, albeit 7-10 years, but foreclosure never does! Just some help for future reference.
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06/19/2008 11:39
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sadme,

That's good to know, the forclosure/bankruptcy info. We also are in terrible financial shape, and those thing are not out of the question for us either.

Warhorse,

Hang in there, you are not alone (what is this now, a financial disaster support group!!!). Karen's going back to work in the fall (teacher) but my job will be eliminated anywhere from 3 months to 1 year from now. I work in the automotive business and it's really bad now. I guess I gotta look on the bright side, I got Karen back!

Take care, Paul

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