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12/28/2011 05:22 PM

My opinion only


This is NOT a piece on religion although some are mentioned. This is a piece on what has happened to this country according to the commentator I list below. This is NOT meant to start a religious discussion in terms of beliefs, but rather to inform as to how religion is under attack - still!

(Piece written by Ben Stein)

My confession:

I am a Jew, and every single one of my ancestors was Jewish. And it does not bother me even a little bit when people call those beautiful lit up, bejeweled trees, Christmas trees. I don't feel threatened. I don't feel discriminated against. That's what they are, Christmas trees.

It doesn't bother me a bit when people say, 'Merry Christmas' to me. I don't think they are slighting me or getting ready to put me in a ghetto. In fact, I kind of like it. It shows that we are all brothers and sisters celebrating this happy time of year. It doesn't bother me at all that there is a manger scene on display at a key intersection near my beach house in Malibu . If people want a creche, it's just as fine with me as is the Menorah a few hundred yards away.

I don't like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don't think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians. I think people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period. I have no idea where the concept came from, that America is an explicitly atheist country. I can't find it in the Constitution and I don't like it being shoved down my throat.

Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from that we should worship celebrities and we aren't allowed to worship God ? I guess that's a sign that I'm getting old, too. But there are a lot of us who are wondering where these celebrities came from and where the America we knew went to.

In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke; it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking.

Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her 'How could God let something like this happen?' (regarding Hurricane Katrina).. Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said, 'I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives. And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?'

In light of recent events... terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found a few years ago) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK. Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school. The Bible says thou shalt not kill; thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.

Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave, because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about. And we said okay.

Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves.

Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with 'WE REAP WHAT WE SOW.'

Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell. Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says. Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire, but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing. Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace.

Are you laughing yet? Angry

Post edited by: Arauna, at: 12/28/2011 05:54 PM


12/29/2011 10:53 AM
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I have seen this essay before and I agree wholeheartedly with him.

12/29/2011 12:33 PM
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Beuler...Beuler...Has anyone seen Ferris Beuler?

I know that the guy is smart and all... but Something rubs me the wrong way about him.

He seems a little bent out of shape. I feel that something needed to be said about freedom from religion too. I mean there's tons and ton's of spiritually focused people who don't want to be told what to do by other people when it comes to spiritual matters.

Also, the comment about Dr. Spock is a fallacy. just because he said not to spank children didn't necessarily make his son kill himself. In light of the fact that we are on a message board devoted to two mental illnesses that push people toward morbidity I think we can all look at that as a cheap shot to prove Mr. Stein's case.

I'm sorry that I'm coming off this way but Ben Stein seems like a "smart guy" who likes to use his intelligence to push people. "If you don't agree with him then you must be wrong" is the message that I get.

12/29/2011 01:06 PM

To me the whole point is "live and let live", i.e., condoning religious freedom while at the same time taking a swipe at those who would try to take that freedom away. Therefore, while I am not Muslim I accept the mosque next door (except their loud speaker), Jews, Catholics, Buddhist, etc. I believe we were given free will, and if we take away the right of the Muslim to have a mosque, or a Jew a synagoguem, then the Baptists, Catholics, Lutherans etc will be subject to that as well. So my take is not that it is against religion, but rather about government stripping ALL faiths of their rights.

If one were to say "that's ridiculous" to the above, I would simply say "Holocaust". And he didn't just kill Jews, people. He killed people LIKE US. As in mentally ill.

I didn't want to start a huge thing about this but respectfully welcome others opinions. I just wanted to make sure that I addressed the essay without offending anyone.

12/29/2011 01:10 PM

P.S. Sometimes I don't agree with someone and guess what? I'm wrong! I am a human being subject to the same trials and tribulations and joys as much as any of you. While I don't like to, sometimes the only thing TO DO is admit you're wrong. But I don't think I am in this case.

Post edited by: Arauna, at: 12/29/2011 01:10 PM

12/29/2011 02:08 PM
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i agree with arauna...not intirely her post... (although most of it) but that we all have the right to our opinions... Fobs you can state what you want as can Deborah... that is the beauty of free speech... in the end only GOD can judge...


12/30/2011 03:07 AM
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don't worry, I wasn't debating the sentiment that was being expressed in here. I think there's a lot of misconceptions on both sides of the religion "me versus you" issue.

I'm sorry if I came off sounding like I was against the sentiment of the piece in total. I just don't care for Ben Stein or how he says what he wants to say. I think it echos the whole feeling that there's only monotheism and that all other forms of spirituality are some how incomplete of lacking.

12/30/2011 06:23 AM

I can see your point of view. I only know who Ben Stein is from the commercials he used to do. Yes, there are a lot of misconceptions which is why we don't discuss religion or politics (usually). I don't want any brawls in here LOL

Don't be sorry for anything about this. You are completely, 100% entitled to your opinion and I enjoyed your take on this. I guess I can put my flame thrower down now (bwahahahahaha)

12/30/2011 06:41 AM
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I just erased all of my comment by mistake. Ben Stein was a s[peach writer for Ford and Nixon. He was also the home room and economic teacher in the Ferris Beuler movie.

12/30/2011 06:56 AM

I hate it when that happens (erasing posts)! Now I understand why I didn't know who he is - I certainly didn't know about the speech writing and I never saw Ferris Beuler. Thanks for the info - I like to learn at least 1 thing a day!

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