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11/28/2008 09:49 AM
Drpatty

Lumbar degenerative disc disease

Degenerative disc disease refers to a syndrome in which a painful disc causes chronic low back pain. The condition generally starts with a torsional (twisting) injury to the disc space. The injury weakens the disc and creates excessive micro-motionat the corresponding vertebral level because the disc cannot hold the vertebral segment together as well as it used to. The excessive micro-motion, combined with the inflammatory proteins inside the disc that become exposed and irritate the local area, produces low back pain. Unlike the muscles in the back, the disc does not have a blood supply and therefore cannot heal itself and the painful symptoms of

degenerative disc disease can become chronic. While it is rare that low back pain from degenerative disc disease will progress or increase, the pain will tend to fluctuate and at times may become significantly worse.

The degenerative process:

It is important to note that disc degeneration is part of the natural process of aging and does not necessarily lead to low back pain. MRI scans have documented that approximately 30% of 30 year olds have signs of disc degeneration on MRI scans even though they have no back pain symptoms. It must therefore be stressed that not all degenerated discs that are seen on MRI scans are pain generators. As the population ages, it is even more common for individuals to have signs of disc degeneration without pain, and by the time an individual reaches 60 years old, disc degeneration is an expected finding on an MRI scan. In fact, the incidence of low back pain actually declines as we age, despite the fact that our discs are degenerating. A fully degenerated disc no longer has any inflammatory proteins (that can cause pain) and usually collapses into a stable position. While many people over the age of 60 have degenerated discs, it is highly uncommon for them to suffer from degenerative disc disease.

Treatment options:

For most people, degenerative disc disease can be successfully treated with conservative care. Most patients will experience low-grade continuous but tolerable pain that will occasionally flare (intensify). The frequency and intensity of the flares can be managed with an exercise program that consists of:

hamstring stretching

dynamic lumbar stabilization exercises

low-impact aerobic conditioning

Non-prescription medications, such as NSAID's and acetaminophen, may be

helpful in alleviating low back pain, and stronger therapies, such as

oral steroids or epidurals, may be prescribed to treat severe flares.

For patients who are unable to function because of the pain, or who are frustrated with their activity limitations, lumbar spinal fusion surgery is an option. Fusion surgery works because it stops the motion at a painful motion segment.

A one-level fusion does not significantly change the mechanics in the back, and a two level fusion may also be considered for patients with severe, disabling pain. Three-level fusions change the mechanics of the back substantially and are not recommended(the back is designed for movement, and limiting the movement and altering the muscle composition can in and of itself cause pain). When performed judiciously by an experienced surgeon trained in doing fusion surgery, a fusion surgery can be an effective option for patients.

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http://www.spine-health.com/topics/cd/overview/lumbar/young/ degen01.html

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01/01/2009 03:05 PM  Top
lisavht
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How about cervical and thoracic DDD. Would it be kind of the same? I think mine might be in the neck. I need to get a for sure on it. But I was told over the phone that I do have it. But I didn't think to ask where exactly. I hate when doctors and their staff do not fill me in. I actually wouldn't have known I had it if my symptoms did not get worse. I wonder how many of us are walking around with a condition of some sort and their doctors never told them about it and they came to them to find out why! Any ways sorry that kind of sounded like a vent.

01/02/2009 02:03 PM  Top
ithurtsalot2
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Thanks Dr. Patty! I think we are friends. I havn't been on in a while. I am suppose to lose 20lb go back to see the neuroergeon in Feb and then have surgey to fuse l4,l5, and bone graph s1 I have advanced degenerative disc disease, severe spondylithesis, and spinal stenosis. I already have 2 fusions at c 4/5 6/7. I have had cortisone shots epidurtals and fascet joint injections and PT galore sothis is where i am headed - I wanted to get your opinion Dr.Patty ThanksBlink

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11/24/2009 09:11 AM  Top
jaylyn2201
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a question. I know they say it is rare but my DDD is progressive and chronic. Since I was first diagnosed almost 9 years ago I have lost 3 more disc. At the age of 25 I was told, that on my MRI, my spine and disc look like those of a 80+ year old. Is there anyone else on here that is progressive and if so what method do you use for pain control? I use nothing daily but do take pain meds with a bad flare. I am not big on taking pills, I have a very active life and can't be down because of the meds.

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11/24/2009 10:14 AM  Top
fluffyluggage
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Jaylyn,

Have you looked into the possibility that you may have some sort of auto-immune condition that makes your DDD auto-immune? Some DDD is auto-immune, making the body attack its joints and its own cells. It's also rare, and it'll be chronic. It sounds to me like you might want to look into that as a possiblity, and see if there's anything that can be done to combat that. Also, have you considered having a bone scan to see if it might be due to osteoporosis, or anything else like that? Things that you might not think of or the doctors might not be looking for yet? Something that an MRI might not necessarily test for... To see if it's an auto-immune disorder, they'd draw blood and look for markers in your blood, so that would probably be the step to go there. I'd look for an immunologist or even maybe a rheumatologist.

Let me know what you think, or if you've had any of that done, and if so, I'll see what I else I can find out.

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Just because it's impossible doesn't mean it can't happen.

I'm not a doc, so anything I say is my opinion only. Nothing I say is meant as offense, I offer what I can as help. I believe in educating myself on all my medical issues and being my own advocate, for no one else with do that on my behalf. I recommend we all do the same!

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Perhaps I truly am insane for expecting these docs to listen to me when I say the same things repeatedly to no avail? LOL. I am tired of seeking out new docs and getting the same result time and again...Forgive me if I seem bitter some days.

Something has changed within me/Something is not the same/I'm through with playing by/The rules of someone else's game/Too late for second-guessing/Too late to go back to sleep/It's time to trust my instincts/Close my eyes and leap...I'm through accepting limits/Cuz someone says they're so/Some things I can not change/But till I try I'll never know/Too long I've been afraid of/Losing love I guess I lost/Well if that's love/It comes at much too high a cost/I'd sooner buy Defying Gravity/Kiss me good-bye I'm Defying Gravity/I think I'll try Defying Gravity/And you won't bring me down...
--Defying Gravity (Glee Cast version)

11/27/2009 04:54 PM  Top
Selina4343
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Sad I have DDD too, and it only gets worse and worse all the time. I have had 3 spinal fusions and laminectomy's. Each time I get my hopes up and do exactly as they say, for example, walk and to PT. I am getting very depressed about the whole thing. In 1974 I was diagnosed with RA. I now have intermitting RA, chronic fatigue syndrome, OA, and fibro. It is especially hard around the holidays, when so much needs to be done, and frankly so much that I want to do, but just can't. Standing or sitting, the pain is horrible, and I want to go shopping. I have tried the electric wheelchair, and also the walker with a seat. Seems that dept stores are not really equipped to handle the handicapped. The aisles are narrow and rows are packed with merchandise. Guess I am babbling here.

At least I have a housekeeper although she keeps me broke. LOL.....I also have a sweet guy that helps me out. He is older than me, but you would never know it. He does all the grocery shopping and cooking. I guess I should not be so depressed. Other people have it worse than I do. Just feeling lonely and gloomy right now. I miss my daughter and her husband and my three beautiful grand children.

Holiday time if always tough for us, isn't it?


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