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12/28/2007 09:12
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I guess I'm using this forum as a confessional right now. This morning I just couldn't deal with all the stimming. I think I've definitely had too much chocolate in the last week and I'm depressed and in sugar overload myself. Anyway after attempting to give my 16 month old breakfast I just couldn't deal anymore and I put the gate up in the living room, put the cartoons on, of course made sure my son was clean and changed, and I just lay down on the couch and zoned out myself for a few hours. I just couldn't face the day. I made sure he was safe, but I have to admit I just let him stim away without trying to engage him like I usually do. I hope I'm not horrible but I just couldn't deal today. Does any one else ever have those days???
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12/28/2007 23:08
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Our children need to spin perticily when they are stressed.

stopping them all together could cause worse problems i the end Stimming is all about comfort, and your child, autistic or not, should be comfortable as long as his or her activities do not interfere with others or are not self-damaging In regards to stimming, reduction of these behaviors is ideal, but remember that complete elimination is usually not necessary. Autistic individuals perceive the world in a different way and we must take that into account.

Removing of stopping the stimming entirely can lead to a sensory overload.

Stimming is also referred to as an "ism". It is a self-stimulating behaviour that gives comfort and for the autist it is a coping mechanism.

So called 'normal' people also have them. Just think how many people you know who suck their thumb, twiddle their hair, rock in a chair, drum their fingers,do deep breathing exercises or even smoke when they are anxious?

You wouldn't presume to stop them so why should it be different for the autistic individual? .

We have all just let our kids stimm i do not try to stop my children at all unless it is harmful.

i also stimmed has a child not so mu ch now has then but it is a need not just a stim

Sense Stereotypic Behaviors

Visual staring at lights, repetitive blinking, moving fingers in front of the eyes, hand-flapping

Auditory tapping ears, snapping fingers, making vocal sounds

Tactile rubbing the skin with one's hands or with another object, scratching

Vestibular rocking front to back, rocking side-to-side

Taste placing body parts or objects in one's mouth, licking objects

Smell smelling objects, sniffing people

Sense Stimming Actions

Visual Flapping hands, blinking and / or moving fingers in front of eyes; staring repetitively at a light

Auditory Making vocal sounds; snapping fingers

Tactile Scratching; rubbing the skin with one's hands or with an external object

Vestibular Moving body in rhythmic motion; rocking front and back or side-to-side

Taste Licking body parts; licking an object

Smell Smelling objects or hands; other people

you did nothing wrong hun

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12/29/2007 05:30
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Thanks Shell. I felt bad yesturday becasue I am usually better at getting on the floor and engaging him for a good part of the day. I just didn't have it in me yesturday. Thanks again for your support. I still feel like if I can get him to interact with me instead of stimming that is ultimately better, isn't it? I can't just let him stim all day, and he seems to need to be engaged to not stim so much. Someitmes he seems like he does it because he's bored and doesn't quite know what else to do until you show him a fun toy or something... Thanks to all who post... Jenny

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12/29/2007 13:29
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no hun letting him stimm all day is not a good idea

but you could use his stimming has an incentive to stay on task, if he does ????? then he can spin or flap for ten minutes .

stimming is a big part of our lives has a child i stimmed almost constantly (finger flicking) in the end i did it in my pocket where noone could see me,my point is i still did them but noone saw so pepole thought they had stopped,without them i would be unable to relieve stress and a build up is not good its realxing like a massage or warm bath.

you are a good mum always remember that.

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12/29/2007 20:49
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Thanks Shell. By the way, My son starts in home ABA therapy this week(Jan 3rd). I like what you say about ABA being too strict sometimes. Can you give me an idea of what I could say to the ABA therapist who comes to the house to let her know I might want a modified ABA therapy with PECS? Is that all I have to say? Are most ABA therapists up on PECS. What other alternatives could we do in addition to ABA to make it less strict? Thanks.

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12/30/2007 00:29
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A lot of ABA therpists like to do things there way,

i would write a plan before she arrived with the objects and plan you want to use.

At the end of the day she works for you you are in control,tell her what you want to do and ask her to do a plan including your suggestions and hers.

Just because they are experts does not mean they no best you know what motivates your child and its up to you to show her .Without honesty and communication no therapy will work

Teacch works well with ABA some info below

http://www.autism-resources.com/papers/TEACCHN.htm

http://www.nas.org.uk/nas/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=528&a=3630

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01/12/2008 04:40
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hey its just me now i know im gonna sound dumb but what is aba therapists?

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01/12/2008 04:44
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see i messed up i ment to say what is aba?
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01/12/2008 07:04
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Applied" means practice, rather than research or philosophy. "Behavior analysis" may be read as "learning theory," that is, understanding what leads to (or doesn't lead to) new skills. (This is a simplification: ABA is just as much about maintaining and using skills as about learning.) It may seem odd to use the word "behavior" when talking about learning to talk, play, and live as a complex social animal, but to a behaviorist all these can be taught, so long as there are intact brain functions to learn and practice the skills. (That is the essence of the recovery hypothesis--that for many children, the excesses and deficits of autism result largely from a learning 'blockage,' which can be overcome by intensive teaching.)

Typically developing children learn without our intervention--that is, the 'typical' environment they are born into provides the right conditions to learn language, play, and social skills. (After a few years, however, this breaks down, and we no longer learn everything 'naturally'--it takes a very structured environment, for example, for most of us to learn to read, write, and do arithmetic.)

Children with autism learn much, much less from the environment. They are often capable of learning, but it takes a very structured environment, one where conditions are optimized for acquiring the same skills that typical children learn 'naturally.' ABA is all about the rules for setting up the environment to enable our kids to learn.

Behavior analysis dates back at least to Skinner, who performed animal experiments showing that food rewards (immediate positive consequences to a target behavior) lead to behavior changes. This is accepted by everyone who wants to train their dog to 'go' outside, but we are not so inclined to want to believe the same of ourselves. Part of the problem is that people do respond to a broad range of reinforcements (rewards), but it is really true that an edible treat is among the most reliable, especially at first. (The skills that we more often think lead to learning--motivation, self-discipline, curiosity--are marvelous, and really do set us apart from other animals--but those are truly sophisticated 'behaviors' that fully develop only after more basic language and social skills are in place.)

Conversely, any new behavior that an animal (or you or I) may try, but is never rewarded, is likely to die out after a while (how often will you dial that busy number?). And, as common sense would have it, a behavior that results in something unpleasant (an aversive) is even less likely to be repeated. These are the basics of behavioral learning theory. ABA uses these principles to set up an environment in which our kids learn as much as they can as quickly as possible. It is a science, not a 'philosophy.' (Even the "as quickly as possible" part is based on science, since there is some--not conclusive--evidence that the developmentally disordered brain "learns how to learn" best if the basic skills are taught in early childhood.)

Behavioral learning is not the only type of learning. Most learning in schools is from an explanation or from a model, what people call 'natural' learning. Typically developing children learn from their environment (other people) at an astounding rate, completely unassisted. The whole point of ABA is to teach the prerequisites to make it possible for a child to learn 'naturally.' If our kids could learn without assistance in the first place they wouldn't have autism!

The most common and distinguishing type of intervention based on applied behavior analysis is discrete trial teaching. It is what people most often think of when you say "ABA" or "Lovaas method." This is partly because there are so many hundreds of hours of DT teaching, and partly because it looks so odd. But it is what it is because that's what works--every aspect has been refined (and is still being refined) to result in maximum learning efficiency.

(Briefly: the student is given a stimulus--a question, a set of blocks and a pattern, a request to go ask Mom for a glass of water--along with the correct response, or a strong 'hint' at what the response should be. He is rewarded (an M&M, a piggy-back ride, a happy "good job!") for repeating the right answer; anything else is ignored or corrected very neutrally. As his response becomes more reliable, the 'clues' are withdrawn until he can respond independently. This is usually done one-on-one at a table (thus the term table-top work), with detailed planning of the requests, timing, wording, and the therapist's reaction to the student's responses.)

It is a mistake, however, to think of an ABA program as just DT teaching. Lovaas (among others) notes very clearly that a behavioral program is a comprehensive intervention, carried out in every setting, every available moment. The skills that are taught so efficiently in discrete trial drills must be practiced and generalized in 'natural' settings. A child who does not know the difference between 'ask' and 'tell' may slowly get a higher and higher percentage of right answers during table-top drills until he is considered to have 'mastered' that skill; but he will not go on to use 'ask' and 'tell' appropriately without additional support in natural situations; it takes time to go from 'mastery' to 'ownership.' It takes trained and supportive people--parents, teachers, relatives, even peers--to help reinforce a wide range of appropriate behaviors in a variety of settings, until the level of reinforcement fades to a typical level (such as the smile you get when you greet someone).

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01/31/2008 20:30
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I have dropped the ball myself. What works for me is my IPOD. When I am making dinner or doing the dishes, while my children are engaged in their nightly movie, I put it on. This enables me to disengage myself and regroup.

Who should be giving the ABA therapy? From what I have read, I have been doing this all along in one form or another.

Thanks,

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