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06/22/2012 07:42 PM
beejan
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Right now my sleep schedule is way off. I've been going to sleep at 4-5am and waking up at 1-2 pm.

I know that you're supposed to get ACTH and Cortisol tested at around 7am, but I am thinking that guideline might be meant for people that are on a more normal sleep schedule.

I'm just not sure when to get the blood drawn. Should I do it when I normally wake up in the afternoon? Or should I just stay up later than I normally do and go in at 7am? Or maybe I should try to get to sleep at my normal time (4am), and wake up a couple hours later to get it done?

I'm thinking about going in tomorrow, so any advice would be appreciated. Thanks Smile

edit: Guess I should mention that I have never had these tests done before, and have never been diagnosed with adrenal issues. But a lot of problems I'm having seem to point to a possible adrenal issue. So that's why I'm doing this.

Post edited by: beejan, at: 06/22/2012 07:43 PM

Post edited by: beejan, at: 06/22/2012 07:46 PM

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06/22/2012 08:00 PM  Top
bob3bob3
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I'd suggest you test both scenarios. ie an hour or two after you "wake" and as late at night as the blood can be drawn. There are standard AM/PM tests that look at both numbers to partly establish what the diurnal cycle is doing. People can have 2-3 times more blood cortisol in the "morning" than late at night.

You could also do it by concurrently getting a cortisol saliva test (that you can get online cheaper etc) to establish if your diurnal cycle is mangled. ie you use the data from both tests to establish the right result.

Bob (Australia)

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06/22/2012 09:35 PM  Top
CanadianCat41
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I've been wondering the same thing......but my lab will only do it around 7am because they close at 4pm.

Had my cortisol test done last tuesday.....190 am cortisol......150 pm cortisol.....are these numbers close enough to "normal" to say I don't have an adrena issue? or is this enough to be considered flat lined?

thanks

July 16/12 - Officially diagnosed – Secondary Adrenal Insufficiency

15 mg Prednisone/Day - Weaning again....30/04/13

Mavik 2mg/day - high blood pressure

NeilMed Sinus Nose Rinse–once/day-Sinus Swelling
Spiriva - 1 capsule/day @ pm - Lung probs
Montelukast (Single Air)-10mg/day @ pm - Asthma
Salbutamol-100mcg – 2 puffs as needed- Asthma

Progesterone - 3ml cream @ bedtime
DHEA 50 mg @ bedtime

Vit C 2,000mg/day
Vit B Complex/once a day
Vit D 4,000 mg in morning
Calcium / Magnesium - Restore bone loss
Multi Vit once/day

Venlafaxine – 75mg - to keep me "happy"
Trazodone – 100 mg – at bedtime – so I stay asleep all night

Gastrolyte – Re hydration Salts – As needed control dehydration

Ondansetron-8mg – As needed – control vomiting
Dimenhydrinate - 100mg – As needed – control vomiting

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06/22/2012 11:08 PM  Top
bob3bob3
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Hi Cath

They are in normal range.. Normal range is not a perfect indication of good health.

I have seen cases on MDJ where 300nmol/L AM blood serum cortisol has been DX'd as AI and is being treated as such. It boils down to what the most likely root cause is for the symptoms you have.

7AM to 4PM change on average is around a half. Your 190-150 would seem to be a flag to check into. I can't remember your case state though without lots of re-reading. It may be indicative as primary for example with you not having enough morning capacity.

I'll have a look at some notes and see if I can draw any best guess conclusions!

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Emergency Situations

06/24/2012 09:21 AM  Top
Catia
CatiaPosts: 182
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CanadianCat--I read in your signature that ***you are taking progesterone.***

Because you are taking progesterone, your cortisol test results cannot use the same scores as people who are not taking such meds. Same for people on birthcontrol or ANY HRT for menopause, among other meds.

I hope your Dr KNOWS this, unfortuneately many do not.

My endo either has patients stop for months (3-6 months to get system back to baseline for accurate testing), or does other types of extensive testing in addition, in order to get an accurate picture of what's going on. Yes, you read it--right--3-6 months, it's not one of those meds you can just skip for a short time & get accurate cortisol readings.

Hopefully other women on the site can help with addition info on this topic.

I have never taken progresterone, but have read others who've seen my endo have been taken off to get peoper results, especially if it's their 1st work-up. After Dr has put them back on.

Just my 2 cents.

Post edited by: Catia, at: 06/24/2012 09:23 AM

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06/24/2012 12:46 PM  Top
CanadianCat41
CanadianCat41
 
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No one has ever said anything about progesterone effecting the cortisol levels. If I even lower my progersteron I crash, start vomitting...then things get really bad.

Is there any medical reports that I can take to the endro?

July 16/12 - Officially diagnosed – Secondary Adrenal Insufficiency

15 mg Prednisone/Day - Weaning again....30/04/13

Mavik 2mg/day - high blood pressure

NeilMed Sinus Nose Rinse–once/day-Sinus Swelling
Spiriva - 1 capsule/day @ pm - Lung probs
Montelukast (Single Air)-10mg/day @ pm - Asthma
Salbutamol-100mcg – 2 puffs as needed- Asthma

Progesterone - 3ml cream @ bedtime
DHEA 50 mg @ bedtime

Vit C 2,000mg/day
Vit B Complex/once a day
Vit D 4,000 mg in morning
Calcium / Magnesium - Restore bone loss
Multi Vit once/day

Venlafaxine – 75mg - to keep me "happy"
Trazodone – 100 mg – at bedtime – so I stay asleep all night

Gastrolyte – Re hydration Salts – As needed control dehydration

Ondansetron-8mg – As needed – control vomiting
Dimenhydrinate - 100mg – As needed – control vomiting

Medication ALLERGIES
ANY form of Penicillin
Tetracycline
Sulfa
Clindamycin – diarrhea, stomach cramps, vomiting

Environmental Allergies
Oranges, Grapefruit & Ginger, Milk
Animals of any kind
Dust, Trees, Grass, Pollen, Dust Mites, Mold





Catherine
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