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06/15/2012 09:34 AM
Suzikat
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Hello, first a little history.....I am a 56 year old female very active (tennis and Pilates) and have just been diagnosed with Adrenal Insufficiency. I blacked out while running for a tennis shot, bruised my sternum and had 6 stitches in my chin. The ER admitted me for observation since I blacked out and then fainted again in the ER. Things went down hill fast with the passing out and very low blood pressure....I was kicked up to ICU where it was determined I have Adrenal Insufficiency. I had not been feeling myself for several months and had lost my appetite and lost 30 pounds. Now the real work begins.....my PC doctor started me on Hydrocordisone (30mg daily) and I have justed added Fludrocordisone (.1mg daily). I also take Klonopin at night. I have an appointment with an Endocrinologist next Thursday and am trying to get through until then! I understand that a lot of what I am feeling now are side effects from the drugs and I was wondering if anyone has advice as to how to cope until meds get regulated. I have pretty bad nauseousness, headache, occasional diarrhea (which causes me to pass out due to blood pressure drops), emotional swings. I know this is a process and I am determined to get through it but could use some help here until I see the specialist!! Also, any suggestions (other than the obvious) I should ask the Endo doc?

My future? Will I ever play tennis again? Don't understand how to stay in front of crashes since they seem to come out of no where.....seems like I am always just recovering. I am keeping a daily journal but don't see a pattern as of yet. I just know that once I feel nauseous and/or get intestinal cramps, it's not going to be a good day!!

Thank you for any advice!!

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06/15/2012 03:10 PM  Top
bob3bob3
bob3bob3Posts: 4186
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Hi Suzi

Do they still call those Pilates machines, "The Reformer", "The Cadillac" and "The Chair"?

Yes it does take a while to get the right dosage dialed in. You eventually get to the stage though where can read your own body state and even adjust in advance of need. There are basically three root controls or concerns with AI, at this stage you are probably more concerned about the gluco-corticoid side (what HC is mainly) and the mineralo-corticoids (partly HC but mostly from the Florinef). The third being androgens.

First up your HC dose seems a little high, but given the PC doc may be trying to repair a damaged system 30mg is a good enough start point. The dose size is more or less body weight and BMI dependent. 30mg roughly equates to a 120kg or maybe 260lb body in mid BMI. The effects of OD are kind of similar to the feeling of adrenaline and are seen also as fluctuating blood glucose and thus BP. That can easily cause headaches and mood swings. Best get use to the mood swings by the way! Its okay though once you realize that it is drug induced rather than just in your head!

HC is also pretty fast acting and falling so a declining dose size over three doses after food is usually the best approach. 30mg you may take for example as 15/10/5 after breaky, lunch and an afternoon snack. Spreading the dose out seems to flatten the symptoms mentioned above.

Florinef works the side that makes you retain sodium and thus water and this keeps your BP up. If you are still passing water straight through your body (and thus get BP drops) then it indicates that dosage might be too low. Keep in mind though that BP regulation is horribly complex and is also affected by the blood glucose! (which HC raises!) It all becomes a balance thing between the two. If your BP changes are very abrupt there may be something else in the mix, not just AI.

Oh the endo isn't going to like that you have been put on replacement. (Even though you obviously needed it!) It will affect test results that they seem to so concentrate on even if you withhold dosage for 12-15 hours.

Its hard for me to make guesses, but I would suggest that if you cant wait for symptom reduction until after seeing the endo;

- Make sure your HC dosage pattern is as above

- Monitor your BP and if low take more florinef. (Salt cravings are often an indication that you should do this as well. Bloating and oedema kind of indicates your BP is too high with water retention.)

- If your BP stabilizes and you still get headaches and mood swings a HC dose reduction may help. Its hard to quantify such things though as too high cortisol levels can feel like too low under some circumstances. If you give me your height/weight I can tell you what the nominal dose size is. (And yes a lady should never reveal, but this is a special case..)

Questions to ask? Actually I think what will help far more is an understanding of how the adrenal system works. This so you can understand what the endo is talking about as well as get an idea of how competent! This will of course take time, which you may not have before the appt?

Tennis? Probably still be able to play. The treatment success of AI seems to vary a lot. There are some successful athletes out there that have it and at the other end people that are only just hanging onto life. MDJ of course tends to attract those that aren't doing so well, and many have made their own accommodations of a lower energy lifestyle. Personally I think that a low success rate is more a doctor mismanagement and lack of knowledge thing, but that is just my opinion!

Bob (Australia)

Please remember that accurate answers often need detailed source information. Please considering putting your DX status, drug dosage and other information into your "About Me" or Signature Line. That also includes what country you are in because measurement systems and diagnostic methods vary around the world.

06/15/2012 04:16 PM  Top
Suzikat
Posts: 2
New Member

Thanks Bob......your response is very informative and I really appreciate your time! Yes, I was using the Pilates Reformer prior to my accident. Great body lengthening and core strengthening machine.

Everything you explained totally makes sense as I have been educating myself about this whole new world I find myself in! It's good to know that there is support out there and that people like you are willing to share their stories. I do know that the Endo will not be happy I'm on replacement but it was the only way I could get out of the hospital bed and go home! I have read about varying the dosage of HC throughout the day.....I am currently taking 20mg AM and 10mg PM. Okay, I will share my height and weight - 5'7" 123lbs (up from 118 before taking Florinef so that's good). It's helpful to my mental state to know that this is a medicine dosing problem - makes waiting for next Thursday Endo appointment easier. Again, I appreciate any advice or insights you might have.


06/15/2012 06:33 PM  Top
bob3bob3
bob3bob3Posts: 4186
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Hi Suzi

From the University of Sheffield paper 2004, HC dosage for 56kg (123lb) person is about 15mg as 7.5/5/2.5. This study I have found to be a little bit low sided, but its a good start point. That you are bordering underweight as well would suggest your dose should be slightly lower, but given you want it to increase it probably isn't worth worrying about.

So basically you are taking maybe twice what you should. My gut feel is that you shouldn't continue that for much longer. I suspect the endo will tell you the same thing and that is the cause of your headaches etc. Dont make dose changes quickly!

If you decrease your HC and still have low BP your florinef will probably need an increase. That assumes no other problem exists of course.

Oh if your tennis is very aerobic (knowing Pilates isnt) then that level of exercise may need more HC. As a guide an hour at 80%VO2max (like breathing close to flat out) is about 3-4x the HC for that amount of time weighted for daylight hours (phew). That make 2 hours exercise on a base dose of 15mg mean an additional 6-8mg. You'll need even more for illness and trauma. For the moment though just be aware that you will eventually have to manually regulate it.

There are a stack of papers in my webspace if you want to read up. The one with the dosage info starts off "Weight adjusted,..."

http://bob3bob3.mywebcommunity.org/

Bob

Please remember that accurate answers often need detailed source information. Please considering putting your DX status, drug dosage and other information into your "About Me" or Signature Line. That also includes what country you are in because measurement systems and diagnostic methods vary around the world.
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