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08/04/2009 04:57 PM
Doctorblue
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Kissmebaby,

I soo enjoyed reading your story. It's tragic but you make me smile because I totally relate. My actinomycosis is systemic as well and I'm guessing it started when I was very young with multiple painful earaches, toothaches, tonsilitis... My mom and dad (now deceased) emigrated from Europe in the early 1950s. I am the only one in my extended family born in the U.S. I remember my mom taking me to the hospital emergency room for my earaches and tonsil problem and waiting for hours with a long line of other people. When we got to see the doctor it was 5 minutes top. I got a short term prescription for an antibiotic.

That was 50 years ago. In my humble opinion, the practice of medical care delivery hasn't really changed despite mind blowing advances in science. I'll say we need reform.

Anyway, this scenario of going to the primary doctor with upper respiratory complaints and being prescribed short term antibiotics repeated many many times from the time I was 5. Only when I reached my late 40s, the antibiotic prescriptions no longer worked. So I had sinus surgery (polyps removed) and then a tonsillectomy in 2001.

I felt great for about two years after the sinus surgery, but then my health started to deteriorate again. A coworker at the time told me she had had sinus surgery as well but that after about two years, the sinuses were as congested as before the surgery. Same thing ended up happening to me. I now think I know why.

Traumatic disruption of mucosa (such as from surgery) without appropriate long term antibiotic therapy enables Actinomyces organisms to penetrate into deeper tissues. The surgery alone acts like an unbandaided cut ripe for infection.

And even though the tonsillectomy biopsy demonstrated actinomycotic granules were in the tonsilar crypts, I guess my ENT wasn't familiar with actinomycosis, so didn't treat beyond typical post surgical short course antibiotics.

I needed to get my tonsils out. They were infected. However, this is very controversial as researchers found the tonsils are an important part of the immune system. My autoimmune condition either developed after the tonsillectomy or worsened as a result of having the tonsils removed.

I mention this because tomorrow I have an appointment with a gastrointestinal surgeon for surgical evaluation. I have chronic constipation, which is at least partially caused by the actinomycosis. A CT scan taken in 2005 showed I have a redundant cecum (the area where the appendix is) and a sigmoid colon mass among other physiological intestinal abnormalties. I am trying to make sure that I will receive appropriate antibiotic therapy for the actinomycosis with the surgery.

Over the phone the surgeon deferred any discussion of actinomycosis to an infectious diseases physician. My ID doctor wants the surgeon to get an updated intestinal biopsy showing actinomycotic granules before committing to more intensive IV treatment.

Complicating all of this is that my illness has been going on so long, I've developed multiple intestinal infections -- fungal, viral and bacterial. To eradicate, I've read you need to treat them all simultaneously. But like you all my doctors want to approach things one at a time. It's too much from them to handle, they say. You can't graduate from med school if your mind can only deal with one concept at a time. You'd never be able to make a proper diagnosis...Ahhh, and there's the problem.

The time allotted per patient to run a profitable practice only allows doctors to deal with one symptom at a time. Thus, the logical conclusion is that to be profitable, doctors can no longer properly diagnose patients because few diseases have only one symptom. Watch Dr. House!

So, my dilemma is that in order to get proper treatment, I must first jeopardize my health further by stopping the oral meds I'm now taking and open my intestines up to biopsy punctures that allow infection to move deeper into tissues, etc. -- only in the hopes that the doctor will get lucky and pick the correct site for biopsy. And there is still no guarantee that any doctor will prescribe the IV antibiotics I need having gone through this. I don't even want to think about then having to convince the insurance companies to pay for anything.

I'll keep you posted. I feel like it's taking every ounce of energy and fortitude that I can muster to try to obtain proper medical care-- and it shouldn't be this difficult.

They say if you want something done right, do it yourself. Well, what are doctors for if the patient has to self-diagnose, research everything about the illness and then teach the doctors what to do in a manner that doesn't put them on the defensive? This is as difficult as writing a thesis!

I'm going to read the files you sent now. Today, you are my light. Smile

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08/04/2009 05:27 PM  Top
Kissmebaby
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That happened to me. 4/18/09 I had a colonoscopy. The same one 2 years ago that was perfect. He biopsied 22 large abscesses. They came back NOT to be Crohn's or IBS. Some kind of crptic cysts. They were saying: I can't believe we are hoping for Crohn's. It wasn't. I've gotten MUCH sicker since.

Since then, I've had my gallbladder removed. The gallbladder was attached to segment 5 of the liver, the stomach and the duodenum. My Gastro was on hand and asked him to do exploratory. Thus, 3 more incisions to look around in the stomach. They found bite marks in the body cavity from the biopsies. And, severe: cecum mesentric creeping fat. The report said due to the gastric biopsies.

Now, I have duodedum damage (because like you said, it allowed the disease to penetrate further) and the 'creeping fat' is in my left costophrenic angle (lung-lower left) causing breathing problems. The gastro said: no eosinophils were present.

Mine started from a root canal 2 years ago+ and the mouth is the only hope to biopsy now. Worse, I did have a biopsy of the mouth just under 2 years ago that showed: active/reactive inflammatory activity. Two months ago, a sinus swab showed 'flora growth' not staph. I have basically been diagnosed without the diagnosis.

We are a mess. I hope you are reading about Christine Wicks. Amazing story.

Post edited by: Kissmebaby, at: 08/04/2009 05:32 PM

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08/06/2009 02:21 PM  Top
Doctorblue
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Kissmebaby, Reading your story and that of others who have undergone surgeries that didn't work or made things worse almost makes me glad that no surgeon has operated on my intestines yet. Actinomycosis as you know is very difficult to isolate. From my reading, most often the biopsy result shows up as just inflammatory cells. I wonder why. I know cultures don't work well. My guess is the wrong medium is used or not enough time given to grow the organism or poor specimen handling since oxygen kills actinomyces. I'm having difficulty accepting the concept that the patient has to get worse during the process the doctor uses to isolate and identify a pathogen. Sounds a little ancient given all our expensive technological advances, don't you think? I guess no one believes in clinical diagnosis anymore based on a preponderance of evidence. Everyone wants to pin the diagnosis on another medical professional -- like the lab technician.

08/06/2009 05:55 PM  Top
Kissmebaby
KissmebabyPosts: 198
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In my case 4/18/09, they did a colonoscopy and saw TONS of large abscesses. I actually woke-up and saw the tool in there biting them. It came back: NOT Chrohn's (which they were HOPING for) and not IBS. It didn't have Eosinophils (the yellow granules that will diagnose). The pathology said: some kind of cryptic cystitis. The gastro is STILL scratching his head.

The problem is, SINCE THOSE 22 BITES WERE TAKEN FROM MY GASTRO TRACT, I have been MORE SICK.

When they removed my Gallbladder 5/18/09, the liver, stomach and duodenum were attached to it. They made 3 other incisions for exploratory and found tears in the body cavity from the extraction of the abscesses. It caused the disease to penetrate further and now there is 'cecum/mesentric 'creeping' fat' EVERYWHERE. It is even penetrating a bottom piece of my lung.

They need to do an ANAEROBIC test from the mouth/tonsils or wherever it STARTED. They will cut a little square and have it analyzed. My mouth biopsy was done 3/08 and IT came back 'active/reactive inflammatory tissue.' However, at the time, they didn't know what they were testing for.

A couple of months ago, they got close. I had a SIMPLE sinus swab (not supposed to work because as soon as the Oxygen hits it/it dies) that came back with pathology: 'flora growth' 'not Staph.' They should have gotten it then but I don't think they were testing for Actinomycosis Israeli.

Get it together girlfriend. YOU ARE THE ONE WHO TAUGHT ME THIS. Are you OK!

Hang in there... Smile

Post edited by: Kissmebaby, at: 08/06/2009 06:01 PM

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