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May 07
2008

still....barely May 6 - ex fiance

well, she called the other night.  I did not pick up, and I left a note on her car this morning on my way to work.  Looked like  it had not been driving....so she called tonight.  we talked a long time.  boy, my son is getting to be a real wack job if I believe all of what she has said, and honestly, I think I believe most of it.

another thing she said is that when they were weaning from the oxy, thru the "help" (tongue in cheek) of my ex husband, that Brandon would not just take it in pill form, but snorted some of it!!!  then, he had a prescription for valium, and snort that!!!  what the hell??   my son is a mess!!!!   also, she said that when my ex husband started to get mad at her (not doubt cause of our son bad mouthing her to my ex husb.), my son told her that his dad would not give him the weaning amount for her....tru????? i don't know....or was my son taking it himself????  I would not doubt that to be the case.

their break up was bad.  I see my son totally doing the same crap his father did to me...she said when they got together, he talked about his dad, and how he saw his dad treat me so awful, etc.....and here he is totally doing the same to her...doing bad behaviors to force her away, and now...he already is seeing another woman!!!!   just about exactly like his dad....sad sad sad....and leaving a dog, cat, behind....same as he did before....left a cat at my place that was his with another ex girlfriend he lived with, and left a dog at a place he rented a room at....is this kid sane?   I truly think he is so messed up and traumatized by watching his dad cheat around, now living with this woman and raising all her kids, that he is just doing the same behaviors that he himself hated!   I have read that kids do that lots of the time....a certain behavior in a parent that they totally hate, and they themselves start doing it.   anyway, my son went to her dad's and told the dad she had been doing these drugs, and other things....to "tattle" on her??? at any rate, turns out the BEST thing he could have done, cause her dad is NOT an enabler, and I think he will be one of the influences she needs.....since her mom is an EX addict, her mom told her when she told her mom she WANTED TO USE...it was getting HARd.....to have a fucking DRINK.   What kind of idiot mom does she have?   She knows her mom is like that, and I know from what she has said she loves her, but does not have respect for how she has handled her life, and she said she wishes she had a mom like me....poor girl...I really just feel so bad, and wish I could take away the pain...not just this last breakup with my son, who used her financially, etc, but past BAD relationships, and having to support her mom, and pay her mom's expenses and bills when she was about 17 or 18....working two jobs, while her mom was using.

This girl needs a break.  I told her I know she is gonna make it, and that SHE is the only one who can do this for herself.   I don't know her well, but I sure hope I am right and that she does not relapse.  I am very afraid she may.....but I think her dad knowing is such a silver lining that was in a black cloud.  I am sure my son did it to hurt her relationship with her dad, but he unknowingly did her a HUGH favor.

I maybe should not be talking to her cause of my son, but ya know....something told me not to ignore her when her number came thru....I had to think about it for about a day, but I felt I had to let her know I am NOT against her at all....she needs support and she told me before she sees me as a successful example of someone who has had tought things happen to them but gets thru and is a success.....I figure, heck....my boys don't want me in their lives....so I will go ahead and let her in....they cannot tell me who to have in my life...granted, they don't have to like it and see it as taking sides, but right now, I don't care.  They have all ganged up on me for unknown and unseen reasons along side my ex husband....go figure!!!!   I don't get it still...probably never ever will.....but I do know that there are tons of people I have met over the last 5 years that think I am pretty great, and a very normal person....so I hate to say this but I really do not think it is me....I think my kids just are being manipulated or are not wanting to see things the way that things really are.   They so badly want their dad in their life (never did stop them), but they do not seem to be able to distinguish that you can have both parents in your life, even if those parents are not in each others lives!    I am gonna pray on this later, when I can sleep.  





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Just a Suggestion
written by Suz, May 11, 2008
Sallie, this is just a suggestion and I'm not a doctor or therapist. I learned a lot from dealing with my son and his girlfriend and their battles. It was hard to have her repeatedly showing up at my door crying when they broke up and her telling all the garbage, then having her eventually reconcile with him a month later. Truthfully, his girlfriend needed to work all of it out with a psychiatrist or therapist to figure out why she "settled" for a man like this in the first place and then even worse why she would return to a man like this. AND as a result of his girlfriend at my door, I knew too much about their relationship and stuff I didn't want to know. She told me something that broke my heart and made me cry.

For you, the problem is that you have placed yourself as a potential confident to your son's ex-girlfriend (I'll call her the girlfriend), you know way too much and chances are it may potentially backfire on you. If they reconcile or get into a big fight, the girlfriend could drag you into all their problems by saying she talked to you and "you said . . . ." That could start it all spiriling down with everyone wanting to scream at you and good guys don't always finish first. Sometimes they finish last, face down in the mud when they were only trying to help.

Truthfully, I think you're walking on eggshells with this girl and who knows, they could eventually reconcile. So I would suggest you keep yourself too busy to talk to the girl except to encourage her to talk to a professional psychiatrist or therapist "so she can begin to work on any problems or difficulties she is having." Then it keeps you out of all the battle and out of the in/out flow of information and you have her pointed in the right direction. Do that with any of your son's girlfriends that come to you. Actually, they need to learn to resolve the problems between them and you gently pushing the girlfriends away from your door will be better for you. Hugs
welll...
written by sallie, May 12, 2008
I know you are right right right! and I do end up saying stuff I shouldn't...mainly cause(except the drug use) he reminds me of the emotional abuse I took from his dad. It is interesting, but kids do that. they repeat parents "stuff". I know I need to do this. I do tell her she needs to get to Narc. Annonymous meetings. they do not listen, want easy fixes. thanks Suz.
The girlfriends just want a shoulder to cry on
written by Suz, May 12, 2008
You are so right that the girlfriends want a shoulder, your shoulder, to cry on about your son and that's their quick easy fix. But as good hearted as you are to talk to them, it drags you into the fray where you don't belong and where you can get hurt and be miserable. You did the very best raising your son and you must always remember that. As your son is now an adult, it really becomes his voluntary choice to repeat his Dad's cycle of abuse or to say "enough" and get help to break the cycle so he stops being an abuser himself. Because ultimately your son is ruining his own life. When he reaches a bottom point he may decide to get help to break the cycle--only then is when he may be able to see what his life has become, what he has lost and want to actually get help to make changes.

But please don't go around beating yourself up because he has followed in his Dad's footsteps. My Mom and Dad were very abusive with me growing up and I didn't become an abusive adult--I didn't want that life for me as an adult.
thanks
written by sallie, May 12, 2008
my other son has spoken to me about his dad, this one has NOT. not since the very day I told him I was divorcing his dad. the other one does say DAD is controlling (ya THINK??) crap, I know that all too well, but I also played MY part. My part now has made this mess, but I cannot keep looking in the rearview window, I got to look AHEAD at where I am going...my son does too, exactly as you said

if you read my DREAM post, my best friend believes this means that my ex will be "reavealed" in time...to my little son. (I know he is 26, I know...but in the dream he was that cute little 10 yr. old I miss.

I will be careful. I am supposed to do dinner with her Wed. I will not contact her, she will have to contact me. I hope I do not hear from her, for my own good!!!! If I go, I know it will be crap about him cause we do not have anything else in common with each other but him.

yes..he has to hit bottom.

thanks for mentoring me, friend.

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